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Re: Why is the United States is better then you'r 3rd world shit hole?
« Reply #90 on: May 24, 2012, 09:40:07 pm »
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I am not suprised that much whenever I heard about that, as much as some people would like to think otherwise, soldiers are still human, so will cave in for their desires, others will have a moment of weakness, just like anyone else, they might be trained and all, but they're no infaillible.
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Re: Why is the United States is better then you'r 3rd world shit hole?
« Reply #91 on: May 24, 2012, 11:10:41 pm »
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Oh god, you have no idea do you?

While it is true that by international law western forces operate in a more ethical way than can be said for most armed forces, once shit hits the fan and the blood starts to boil it's back to basics for everyone.

Seriously, war is damn dirty business, it's just a fact; no matter the footage you get on your TV and all the journalists down there the real battle will always be fought teeth and claw. Put people under pressure and they'll act in desperate ways. Those "incidents" are part of war and FAR more common than anyone wants to admit.
Most of them go unrecorded, and when someone does dig them out and the ones involved gets punished the government blows it all out of proportion to make it seem like a one-time incident.

It's not for nothing the US went apeshit about Wikileaks for example. And those were just the documents, what was written down. If people want to forget something, or make sure noone finds out about something they usually make sure that happens. If I did something really bad, or my friend did it I'd sure as hell not be the one to tell anyone about it.

I hope you understand where I'm going with this, even though it's badly written.


I didn't say "kill, rape and pillage" for nothing. War is about submission, and that is how you do it. Our commanders know that, but they are in a certain way, as said earlier, held back by needing to look good in front of the world press. So how do we solve this issue then? Well firstly we pour in a gargantuan amount of resources into this very ineffective war, to establish superiority. But you also hear politicians boasting wildly about how after a while the soldiers are working together with the government/local forces and how we all are friends...

Wait... "Local forces...?" Oh you mean those guys who kill, rape and pillage with impunity; free from the constraints of red tape and away from the eyes of the world press? Smart move guys, smart move... It's true, a lot of resources are pumped into local powers, and this is then branded and marketed as a sign of friendship between us and the country and the effectiveness of it is praised by all.

Well of course it's effective, you're supporting the guys who can wage war for real! In the process you also avoid the blame and don't have to waste such huge amounts of money into "fake war". And in comparison on with what we used to spend on the war, we're all of a sudden goddamn saints!

The most important point here though is that people still suffer. A lot. Poverty breeds instability and violence. Once people have food for the day guaranteed and a place to stay do they begin worrying about things such as freedom, ethics, and democracy. If we'd really want to help them we'd take all the hundreds of billions of dollars we spend on war each year and just give it to them, but now that's not really the case is it?

Fuck the US, fuck all of us really. And fuck war.

Everything about it is just so goddamn disgusting.
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Re: Why is the United States is better then you'r 3rd world shit hole?
« Reply #92 on: May 24, 2012, 11:26:06 pm »
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Source on all statements made, thanks. Otherwise just subjective rant.
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Re: Why is the United States is better then you'r 3rd world shit hole?
« Reply #93 on: May 24, 2012, 11:29:35 pm »
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And money's useless if you can't get it to reach those who need it, Africa springs to mind here.
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Re: Why is the United States is better then you'r 3rd world shit hole?
« Reply #94 on: May 24, 2012, 11:44:55 pm »
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And money's useless if you can't get it to reach those who need it, Africa springs to mind here.

What do you know about anything the telurvishun doesn't tell you? Africa is not the only continent that is ridden with poverty, you know...

Preaching "send dem moniez to afrikuh bkuz dey need it mor den we dou" doesn't make you sound educated. You're just another tape recorder on repeat, like so many of your people.
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Re: Why is the United States is better then you'r 3rd world shit hole?
« Reply #95 on: May 24, 2012, 11:46:40 pm »
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That is not what I had in mind, more like, sending money to Africa is largely useless because its going to be stolen by local warlords rather than be used to feed/help those who need it, hence spending all military budget to help say, Africa, would be pretty stupid.
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Re: Why is the United States is better then you'r 3rd world shit hole?
« Reply #96 on: May 24, 2012, 11:47:53 pm »
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Subjective rant then, if you'd like.

But just plain obvious to me.

It just gets me REALLY pissed off that a lot of people can look at the poverty, suffering and death caused by these conflicts and call them justified.

You don't wage war to be nice. You give people stuff to be nice, or help them, or protect then but you don't go and kill them and take their stuff "in a nice way".

You also have to realize that the "enemy" is also human, their suffering is not really accounted for at all. It's all very "us vs. them" when in fact we're all very much the same. We both fight for stupid causes, stupid in the sense that they are unnecessary.

You don't fight a war without a reason, you don't put your life on the line just because you think it'd be cool. Either you have a real cause or you're mislead into thinking that you have.

Just stop and think for a second if it was the other way around. If your country was occupied by a foreign power, your family dead due to "collateral damage" and you living in real poverty. I'd be fucking pissed off, and I'd fight against these fuckers if I had the courage. And then all of a sudden I'm an enemy of the UN or whatever and international "law" basically permits anyone redecorating their room with my intestines.

And money's useless if you can't get it to reach those who need it, Africa springs to mind here.

For fucks sake.

Looking at the war effort, you don't think we have the logistical power to distribute wealth fairly effectively?
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Re: Why is the United States is better then you'r 3rd world shit hole?
« Reply #97 on: May 24, 2012, 11:51:10 pm »
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With noone to prevent the local militias/violent groups from looting unarmed convoy?

Good luck
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Re: Why is the United States is better then you'r 3rd world shit hole?
« Reply #98 on: May 24, 2012, 11:55:39 pm »
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And this good folks, is the reason the rest of the world think Americans are morons.
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Re: Why is the United States is better then you'r 3rd world shit hole?
« Reply #99 on: May 24, 2012, 11:56:46 pm »
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Canadian :P

But I really do think you'd struggle to aid the population properly if your goods/money keeps on gettting stolen at gun point, and you have nothing to point back at them.
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Re: Why is the United States is better then you'r 3rd world shit hole?
« Reply #101 on: May 25, 2012, 12:20:48 am »
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Not all soldiers rape and pillage but even if one tenth of them do it's a serious issue. Many soldiers that go to war are mobilized youth and many of them don't remain the same after and if they come back.

Bigger problem are "special" forces sent in war to steal, rape, kill innocent, basically do all nasty things you can think off. They are mostly consisted of different nationalities, professional killers, criminals of all kinds. Those dudes commit most war crimes against humanity but very few of them ever get caught because they are protected (and useful to those who protect them).

Basically war is the best way for rich to become even richer, by stealing money from the middle class.

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Re: Why is the United States is better then you'r 3rd world shit hole?
« Reply #102 on: May 25, 2012, 12:26:16 am »
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That'd be the mercenaries like Black Water, rather than the special forces, special forces are merely sent to assassinate people in country you're not at war with :P


Source, ''We were invincible'' written by an ex-JTF 2 (Canadian special forces) member, mentionning missions in Afghanistan that took place in 1995.

Also the Seal 6 team in Pakistan that fragged ti-Bin.
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Re: Why is the United States is better then you'r 3rd world shit hole?
« Reply #103 on: May 25, 2012, 12:31:41 am »
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People complain about US and their warfare but Mongols raping Europe and Asia as well as Huns, and Ottoman Empire was completely okay in your opinions.

As well as Spain and France and England almost COMPLETELY exterminating a WHOLE race (Native American indians). And then they say that USA did as well in its early beginnings. BUT GUYS. Guess who started it? The colonial fucks. Now there's only a few native american indians left.

Brits also almost had a foot in every part of the world pretty much back then.

So don't pretend US are the worst ''criminals'' in humanitys history. That's just a hypocritical statement.


Goddamn... So don't give me your damn Anti-US tinfoil hat propaganda that your most likely leftist ass keeps bringing up.
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Re: Why is the United States is better then you'r 3rd world shit hole?
« Reply #104 on: May 25, 2012, 12:48:48 am »
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What do you know about anything the telurvishun doesn't tell you? Africa is not the only continent that is ridden with poverty, you know...

Preaching "send dem moniez to afrikuh bkuz dey need it mor den we dou" doesn't make you sound educated. You're just another tape recorder on repeat, like so many of your people.
Serra Leon is considered the richest country in the world due to resources on paper yet there people are also some of the poorest. They have Diamonds,Crome,Zerconium,gold and just about everything shiny and valuable. Yet there considered an improvrished country. Don't send them money send them mother fucking politics!
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