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Re: Quite sad... Food Poverty in Greece.
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2012, 04:17:56 pm »
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You're indeed happy people if you never saw that before. I got used to it.

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Re: Quite sad... Food Poverty in Greece.
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2012, 04:24:13 pm »
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You're indeed happy people if you never saw that before. I got used to it.

Sad but true
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Re: Quite sad... Food Poverty in Greece.
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2012, 04:33:10 pm »
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Unfortunaly, or fortunatly, soon come the water wars. The current oil wars are nothing to what's coming, oil is a commodity but water a nessecity, and soon we will see what comes of so massively overpopulating our planet.

I just wrote my dissertation on this. I'm sorry, but water wars are unlikely to ever happen. Academics largely agree on this. The only people who really support the potential for water wars are popularist writers and newspapers. I could sum up the reasons why quite quickly. Even the limits to growth argument (over population) has A LOT of flaws.
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Re: Quite sad... Food Poverty in Greece.
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2012, 04:39:38 pm »
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I just wrote my dissertation on this. I'm sorry, but water wars are unlikely to ever happen. Academics largely agree on this. The only people who support the potential for water wars are largely popularist writers and newspapers. I could sum up the reasons why quite quickly. Even the limits to growth argument (over population) has A LOT of flaws.

Ok. I hope you are right. I've never read about this, it just seems logical...as far as academics, that is a term that means many things to many people, but doesnt automatically mean they have a fucking clue what they are talking about.

Also "I'm sorry, but water wars are unlikely to ever happen" why are you sorry? Does the idea of total industrial war appeal to you?
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Re: Quite sad... Food Poverty in Greece.
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2012, 05:04:35 pm »
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No it's simply because it's an idea that is jumped upon by the popular media so it's kind of annoying to see it brought up. Especially because it's such an out dated concept from the 80's where it was predicted that major conflict over water would occur before the beginning of the 21st century (never did). And the kind of academics I'm talking about are well known who have studied resource conflict, water conflict and international water treaties for the greater parts of their careers. So far in the modern age there has been no conflict fought solely over a water resource. As for the future well it sums up as:

- 80% of fresh water usage goes into agriculture. That means that immediate water usage for things like drinking water, cleaning ect, uses an tiny percentage of our total water usage. Until immediate water supply is threatened, it is unlikely that tensions would rise enough for conflict to occur.

- Food is unlikely to become scarcer as a result of reduced water supply. Currently agriculture is very inefficient in its water usage. However, there are recent technologies that have reduced water use in many centres of western agriculture by upwards of 60%. If this is transferred across to developing nations, and those who are most likely to disagree over water sources (namely international rivers), then it would decrease any threat by a considerable amount. On top of this, a 10% reduction in agricultures use of water supply would double the amount of water available for drinking and immediate use.

- Because food (relies on water) is far less valuable than commodities such as oil (you need oil to run the war machine in the first place) and far more numerous in its supply, politicians and those who actively send their nations to war are far more likely to be concerned with oil, gas and other important resources for energy usage long before they are concerned with food or water supply. Even with a growing population. Therefore it's unlikely that water will ever be a casus belli.

- The areas of highest conflict risk are those along water ways such as the Mekong, Jordan and Ganges. There are 261 international rivers with many of them shared between 4 or more countries. Countries are unlikely to ever go to war over these water ways because their power cancels each other out. For example, Cambodia is the lower riparian on the Mekong, and if Thailand decided to build dams ect, it is unlikely to be able to challenge Thailand in warfare because it is far stronger. Likewise, Thailand is unlikely to challenge China for obvious reasons. So the power shifts cancel each other out. Even in desperation this would be the case.

- Solutions to water conflicts are sought out peacefully simply because the cost doesn't justify the means. Unless you get some nutty dictator who decides to go to war over it, governments are never going to risk spending the money, man power and resources over a water supply. They are far more likely to bargain with economic means. Many such agreements are already under way. For example Thailand gets a share of the hydroelectric power a dam in Laos produces because they helped fund it so it benefits both parties.

- Exponential population growth (limits to growth argument) is unlikely to occur. At some point, even if much strain is put on world resources, population growth is likely to level out. In many developed nations the death rate is already higher than birth rate. Furthermore, it doesn't take into account technology growth. At our rate of growth in technology, it is likely that resource management is going to get a lot better. Particular as developing nations contribute more and more to research in such areas.

Anyway, no war appeals to me. And you know that's more of an expression right? As in 'Im sorry, WHAT?'.
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Re: Quite sad... Food Poverty in Greece.
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2012, 06:43:02 pm »
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Some days ago I was chilling at my balcony and I saw an old man searching the dumpster for food,I never felt so sad and angry at the same time,I could not stop the tears from falling from my eyes but at the same time I was so angry that I wasnt  able to help people him,fuck that shit,Greece is slowly dying..

I have seen the same here, it's really sad.

A rare sight, but still it makes me think a lot always.
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Re: Quite sad... Food Poverty in Greece.
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2012, 09:24:12 pm »
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You could make a minigame at halftime: hit the homeless with your bottles...They dont need to walk to collect them, and you can give points for range, airtime, etc

Thats kind of disrespectful.

You know, they are still human :D
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Re: Quite sad... Food Poverty in Greece.
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2012, 11:50:13 pm »
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Thats kind of disrespectful.

You know, they are still human :D

Out of the two of us, I honestly believe I have spent longer living on the street. While this isn't a boast, if you had bothered to read the earlier posts you would see my actual feelings about humanity. I am not honestly recommending throwing bottles at homeless people, but you get to a point in life when there are no limits you wont go to conversationally, I'm happy in myself and dont have to judge myself by your standards, and if I say it would be amusing, it would be amusing. That doesnt mean I am going to do it.
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Re: Quite sad... Food Poverty in Greece.
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2012, 10:56:45 pm »
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Re: Quite sad... Food Poverty in Greece.
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2012, 12:24:15 am »
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In belgium the worst signs of poverty I can witness are people singing in the metro. Sometimes it's really painful to hear because the "right" rythms and tones are different in different cultures.

There's a very clear border between those that live outside/are immigrants in semi-legal situation and the poor that still enjoy welfare money. The former have very little means of getting money, and the latter don't really need to go as far as to search empty bottles and such.

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Re: Quite sad... Food Poverty in Greece.
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2012, 02:47:26 am »
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meanwhile in Québec we are currently under the biggest strike (or boycott as gouv said) because the government want to put the university cost up of 325$ per years for five year... total cost at the end will be around 3000$ per years

sometime looking at what happen in other country put the thing at their right place!

I hope situation will be better soon for you.
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Re: Quite sad... Food Poverty in Greece.
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2012, 04:37:44 am »
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I'm really sorry for the greek situation, and i'm really worried about situation at home and eu future.
I think EU was just a bluff politically, and the financial markets got it. Eu "help" to greece sounds more a punishment then an help for example.
Now or we change and have better rules, more choesion and development for all, or we'll all sink.
Germany should also grow up and stop acting like masters of europe, eu wasn't made for their benefit only, nor countries like greece spain italy can't magically turn into germany just because merkel wants it. The Sarkomerkel axis approach the the chrisis was horrible with the austerity-recession-more austerity suicidal circle, now greece it's out of debt market, spain and italy have to finance themself at horrible rates while germany have almost negative values lol.
Let's make togheter some fucking eurobonds, open an EU rating agency quickly, in short do something to show Europe really exist and doesn't let entire nations starve to death and i'm sure Eu will go out from this credit crysis.
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Re: Quite sad... Food Poverty in Greece.
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2012, 11:47:10 am »
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Out of the two of us, I honestly believe I have spent longer living on the street. While this isn't a boast, if you had bothered to read the earlier posts you would see my actual feelings about humanity. I am not honestly recommending throwing bottles at homeless people, but you get to a point in life when there are no limits you wont go to conversationally, I'm happy in myself and dont have to judge myself by your standards, and if I say it would be amusing, it would be amusing. That doesnt mean I am going to do it.

wat

You know I was making a joke, right? hence the  :D
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Re: Quite sad... Food Poverty in Greece.
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2012, 11:51:55 am »
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Sorry to cut your little idiocy festival, but you guys DO know Greece is not a capitalist country, right?
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Re: Quite sad... Food Poverty in Greece.
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2012, 02:12:33 pm »
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Sorry to cut your little idiocy festival, but you guys DO know Greece is not a capitalist country, right?

How did you work that out?

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