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Siege gear: is it coming back?
« on: May 10, 2012, 07:35:58 am »
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Herro Mr Devs,

I was wondering if you know when/if siege gear will be brought back into the game?

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Re: Siege gear: is it coming back?
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2012, 07:59:01 am »
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You have it in strat, in every other game mode it's flat out being useless to your team.

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Re: Siege gear: is it coming back?
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2012, 08:04:35 am »
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Sure is vibe, thanks for the input!
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Re: Siege gear: is it coming back?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2012, 08:29:31 am »
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Vibe, if it was useless, they wouldn't have taken them out for being OP.   8-)
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Re: Siege gear: is it coming back?
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2012, 09:03:32 am »
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We need a "Strategus" game mode for normal day-to-day play, that plays somewhat like a regular Strat battle would (1 hour timer, limited tickets, but maybe bring-your-own-gear).


Siege gear in battle and siege (despite the name) is stupid mainly because there's not enough time on the clock.  Ladders in siege breaks most of the maps but isn't, I think, quite the same problem in Strategus (where defenders don't need quite that big of an advantage anyway).


The problem right now is that people enter Strategus battles and have no idea how to properly place ladders or siege equipment because they aren't getting practice at it in daily game play.

So we need a new game mode.  One where it makes sense to allow siege gear.
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Re: Siege gear: is it coming back?
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2012, 09:09:32 am »
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Vibe, if it was useless, they wouldn't have taken them out for being OP.   8-)

Yes, it was either abusing it (blocking shit with construction sites and the like) or being useless (building anything in a 2-5 minute siege round is not really contributing to your team), thus removed.

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Re: Siege gear: is it coming back?
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2012, 09:20:31 am »
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Blocking things with construction sites has limits put on it by rules.  If people were breaking the rules, then they should have been screenshotted and reported for banning.  Healing tents and forward spawns are very useful.  Weapons racks were also very useful, especially for engineers who relied on them to build everything else. 

You can't seriously tell me that an engineer building any of these things was contributing less than any peasant.  IMO they are contributing much more, and once they have set up an area, they can defend it viciously with their throwing skills + infinite ammo.  The weakness in this comes if you catch them setting up.  Placement of siege weaponry is (was) a very important facet of this class, and one that required knowledge of the map layouts and common defensive/offensive areas. 

I've played on over a dozen different characters, from cav to xbow/2h and everything in between.  Engineering was honestly the most fun that I had of any of the classes.  You don't get as many kills, but you really feel like you're helping the team, especially if the team cooperates.  Unfortunately I never got a chance to play much of it before it got erased from the game.  Still, I hope that weapons racks come back with some kind of c-site limit, and that forward spawns come back with the spawns resetting every round.   8-)
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Re: Siege gear: is it coming back?
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2012, 09:33:00 am »
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Or we could have some maps that work with the siege gear on siege and have the maps actually be tested with the gear and adjusted to work with the gear.

What about much larger maps like some of the Strat town maps but with a 15min timer and flag bang in the middle.

I'm currently working on a map that does this and has break able doors.

I don't see why we can't expect people to bring the siege gear to a siege server, I mean we us to all the time. People always brought ladders.

It's not the equipment its the maps that aren't balanced for the gear. We are better off re-evaluating siege instead of reinventing the wheel IMO.

Yes, it was either abusing it (blocking shit with construction sites and the like) or being useless (building anything in a 2-5 minute siege round is not really contributing to your team), thus removed.

Maybe you should consider "contributing" in anther thread. This topic has already been pummelled, lifeless into the dirty ground else where.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2012, 10:35:41 am by FRANK_THE_TANK »
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Re: Siege gear: is it coming back?
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2012, 05:32:26 pm »
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I don't think engineering was taken away; however, it was just fixed. 

Thank you devs for fixing engineering!!!!!

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Re: Siege gear: is it coming back?
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2012, 06:04:18 pm »
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As far as I know it wont be making a return any time soon. Just from what I read.

The main reason was that forward bases were working in siege and just making the mode messed up/unbalanced + glitchy and the easiest way to prevent it was to take the weapon rack boxes out I believe.

I dont think ladders will be returning any time soon either.
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Re: Siege gear: is it coming back?
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2012, 06:10:00 pm »
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As far as I know it wont be making a return any time soon. Just from what I read.

The main reason was that forward bases were working in siege and just making the mode messed up/unbalanced + glitchy and the easiest way to prevent it was to take the weapon rack boxes out I believe.

I dont think ladders will be returning any time soon either.
So, because forward bases are fucked up weapon racks also need to be removed?..
...logic? And if the issue with weapon racks is CS site spam then take a pic and make a fucking banthread.
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Re: Siege gear: is it coming back?
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2012, 06:18:11 pm »
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So, because forward bases are fucked up weapon racks also need to be removed?..
...logic? And if the issue with weapon racks is CS site spam then take a pic and make a fucking banthread.

Read what he says.  Forward bases were being exploited *Thank KUTT for that one (I added the thank KUTT part)* and the Easiest way to fix it was removing the weapon rack.  Engineers have finally been fixed. 
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Re: Siege gear: is it coming back?
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2012, 06:19:40 pm »
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I dont think ladders will be returning any time soon either.
This is just stupid.... ladders were fucking awesome
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Re: Siege gear: is it coming back?
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2012, 06:20:49 pm »
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This is just stupid.... ladders were fucking awesome

There is a thread here in the forums on ladder feedback if you want to participate.  There is even a poll on it and only 8% of all the voters agree that ladders were awesome.
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Re: Siege gear: is it coming back?
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2012, 06:23:22 pm »
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There is a thread here in the forums on ladder feedback if you want to participate.  There is even a poll on it and only 8% of all the voters agree that ladders were awesome.
92% doesn't know how to use ladders 8% knows
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