1h stab

[Molly]

I just noticed that the stab of my 1h is way slower than it used to be and I was told that all stabs got slowed down.
I understand that pikes/lances had to be slowed down, probably the same for 2h.
I don't understand that you did the same to 1h.
1h should be slightly buffed in speed compared to basicly every heavier weapon and instead it gets slowed down too?
Doesnt make sense and I like to see the speed at least restored, even slightly raised.

Anyone else thinks the same?

[Dezilagel]

Eh, I use a 1h and the stab speed is just fine. I can doublestab with it just as with my pole.

[Molly]

It feels certainly slower to but I have been playing an alt a lot lately.
Anyway... if it hasnt been done yet then it's time that it happens. Slow down basicly all stabs except for 1h since they are pretty bad already.

[_Tak_]

You need more wps in 1 handed, it will thrust alot faster if you had 200 wps+

[Son Of Odin]

Slow down basicly all stabs except for 1h since they are pretty bad already.

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[bosco]

Slow down Long Spear and Lawlpikes.

[TurmoilTom]

Speed is fine. I would prefer if I didn't have to spin-thrust every time I use the 1h stab, though.

[Gurnisson]

Speed is fine. I would prefer if I didn't have to spin-thrust every time I use the 1h stab, though.

It's not like you have to do that when your enemy is close when you're using a 2h or a polearm too! Oh wait, that's exactly what you have to do. I've played a lot of 1h, 2h and polearms and I don't find the 1h stab worse than the others, if anything I think it's better.

[Vexus]

Please, the 1h stab gets stopped (Glance) so frequently you pretty much have to spin stab if you want a sure hit.

[TurmoilTom]

It's not like you have to do that when your enemy is close when you're using a 2h or a polearm too! Oh wait, that's exactly what you have to do. I've played a lot of 1h, 2h and polearms and I don't find the 1h stab worse than the others, if anything I think it's better.

Who said anything about being up close? I know I didn't. I've spent 7 of my 9 gens as a 2h and spin-thrusts were only necessary at face-hug distances. Granted, I was using thrust-oriented swords such as the German Greatsword, but I honestly think it's more difficult to stab with my +3 Espada Eslanova than it was to thrust with my +3 German.

EDIT: Seriously, has the whole Pike-at-point-blank-distance thing honestly made people thing that stabs are SUPPOSED to be used up close? *headdesk*

[Gurnisson]

All stabs only bounce at the very start or the very end of the animation if the damage is good enough to hurt your enemy. If you bounce with any stab, be it 1h, 2h or polearm it's your own fault, just saying.

[Phew]

1h stab is weird because the hitbox is wayyyyy to the right of the actual animation. You have to spin to the left to have any chance of connecting. Not to mention that if you are in left swing range, you are too close to thrust without glancing. Good players just run straight at you when you are about to thrust, so you glance.

[Kafein]

All stabs only bounce at the very start or the very end of the animation if the damage is good enough to hurt your enemy. If you bounce with any stab, be it 1h, 2h or polearm it's your own fault, just saying.

The problem is exactly that. The 1h stab animation is terrible because the hit point starts very far away from the center of your character, and only travels a very short distance during the attack itself, unlike the 2h and pole stabs. You are pretty much forced to spin stab at any range otherwise it will bounce.

It's still pretty doable and I've seen players using stab oriented 1h weapons effectively. But it also sure is way harder to pull of correctly than the pole and 2h stabs.

[TurmoilTom]

I think I may try something out sometime this week.

I'm gonna see if I can get a dude in a Heavy Kuyak and Heavy Gauntlets (Standard uniform nowadays, right?) and I to stand still and try poking him to death with my espada and a Heavy Bastard Sword. It'd be interesting to see if the 10 extra pierce makes up for the superior 2h animations and double weight the HBS has over the Espada Eslanova.

[larlek]

1h stab is the gamble stab. If you fuck up then you're open to attack and if you get it right then you're going to fuck them up. No I do not think it should be changed in anyway because the slow speed of the stab makes it something that you have to learn how to time and not just another left hand spam attack. 1h stab is the move I usualy open with. People just love to run into my sword.