Iron Flesh

[Shatter]

IF is already the best stat behind PS/Ath.

Even with 21/18 and wearing a Cavalry Robe, I tank hits with 7 IF. If you stack IF, you definitely notice a big difference. While WM is really only good for hybrids and archers. The difference between 0 and 5 WM in one weapon proficiency is noticeable but hardly has any impact when compared to the difference between 0 and 5 IF.

[Tears of Destiny]

This would be hilarious, as my shielder would go from 70HP to 77HP which is pretty significant in my opinion, and my siege character would skyrocket from 93HP to 104HP...

Though I think this is a bad idea, as it would promote fights lasting even longer (which is bad).

[Gurnisson]

I'M A BAWS!!!

[Leshma]

This would be hilarious, as my shielder would go from 70HP to 77HP which is pretty significant in my opinion, and my siege character would skyrocket from 93HP to 104HP...

Though I think this is a bad idea, as it would promote fights lasting even longer (which is bad).

With changes Meow suggested it would have:

35 HP
+
28 HP (7 IF)
=
63 HP

My build would have:

35 HP
+
24 HP (6 IF)
=
59 HP

Instead of 65 HP. That's 9% HP loss. Not too bad.

On the other hand 36/3 build will have

35 HP
+
48 HP (12 IF)
=
83 HP

Instead of 95 HP. That's 12.6% HP loss.

Along with free wpf nerf, It's a definite nerf to STR builds. Balanced builds will rule in that case and it has my support.

edit: fixed some percentages

[Tears of Destiny]

I do like Meow's suggestion a lot, certainly. That would make me be rather happy with the IF skill giving 3HP instead of 2HP.

[Nessaj]

I'm a BAWS!!!

Also:

1. Remove HP gain from Str
2. Remove WPF gain from leveling
3. Make IF give 4hp
4. Readjust WPF gain from WM
5. ???
6. Profit!

Those would be great changes in the terms of fairness and balance.

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[Zandieer]

I'm a BAWS!!!

Also:

1. Remove HP gain from Str
2. Remove WPF gain from leveling
3. Make IF give 4hp
4. Readjust WPF gain from WM
5. ???
6. Profit!

We need this!! I agree 120%

[Meow]

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I also agree 120% to this!
Oh god it's so hawt =/

[Shatter]

Meow's change lowers everyone's health (even though it affects STR users moderately more) which I think would be a buff to ranged. Archers in melee will normally die in 1 or 2 hits regardless but it will take 1 or 2 less arrows to kill a melee.

Also with his change, you are almost forced into taking IF. Leaves room for less customizing of characters and build diversity.

[Meow]

You are also forced into taking WM.

Probably could use another nerf so below 100 wpf is actually a penalty to speed

[Old_Sir_Agor]

i think it is good as it is now
but about WM +1 to meow

[pepejul]

I play polearm...with 0 if and 8 WM.... good for me

LVL 32

 str 18
 agi 24

173 Wpf in polearm

0 IF
6 PS
8 Ath
8 WM

[Vkvkvk]

I play polearm...with 0 if and 8 WM.... good for me

LVL 32

 str 18
 agi 24

173 Wpf in polearm

0 IF
6 PS
8 Ath
8 WM

With Meow's idea, you'd have less HP than the current peasants :3.

Have fun with 35 hp and getting one shot by everything.

[Bobthehero]

With Meow ideas I'll have about 100 hp.

Eh... eh eh eh eh eh eh eh

Oh and I have WM too, so no risk of losing that much WPF.

Feel free to do that Meow   

[MrShine]

With Meow ideas I'll have about 100 hp.

Eh... eh eh eh eh eh eh eh

Oh and I have WM too, so no risk of losing that much WPF.

Feel free to do that Meow   

Meow said you only get HP from IF, not from strength.  You would actually lose a substantial amount of HP

That means at level 30 you will have 35 HP pre-Ironflesh.
That means the absolute maximum HP you could get with a level 30 build (39-3 13 IF) would give you 87 HP.
Currently a 21/18 build w/ 4 IF has 64 HP.  With Meow's proposed changes that same build would have 51 HP.

The change would be bad; I don't feel like I need to explain all the reasons why, but for starters survivability would plummet which means ranged & heavy cav would get a substantial buff.