Fetih 1453 (Fall of Constantinople)

[Bobthehero]

Uh... had a brainfart, I skipped most of the US and focused on Canada xd

I'll look into that when I get the time, thank you.

[Vingnir the Wanderer]

Its not common knowledge at all.  If I hadnt been tasked w/ the TW skins, I wouldnt have known those details myself.

But, The Canadians where far kinder to the natives, if its any consulation. i'm no expert, and consider myself lucky to have stumbled upon this, although, its all out there for those who care to pull back the facade, and see the real truth.

[Vingnir the Wanderer]

Anyway, I'm glad the conversation turned a bit, and I'm glad people from both sides of the argument that was getting a bit nasty, have come forth and essentially agreed that mass murder and strife, can be called different things, but essentially should be recognized as basically the same thing, and avoided.

I think, we all have our foibles, but in the end, Playing games based on wars, rather than fighting real ones, and learning about each other, is really REALLY a step forward.

I honestly think its cool that there is a huge Turkish community here, interacting with a western one - We learn from one another, and as we find how much alike we are, and that we enjoy the same every-day stuff, we realize that we should all just be happy to have met. That was not likely or even possible 30 years ago.

My avatar to some is just Hergir from 13th warrior, but his interaction with Ibn Fhadlan, is one of the reasons I chose it proudly, and one of the reasons i loved that movie.

I know i'm being preachy, but, hey, its a good cause.  Watch that nationalism and pride stuff though, alot of it is romanticism, to make us feel better about where we came from, but with it comes the danger of not recognizing the ills of our fathers, and then to repeat it.  It made me sad to see you guys getting angry with each other.  Patience, we can do this, without fiction and rose colored glasses!

Man that was corny. F it!

[Joker86]

Turks are offering forming a joined team of histroical researchers to find out what really happened in 1915 but Armenian government declines which means they hide something .They claim over 1 million armenians were killed while documants say there were only 400.000 armenians who forced to be exiled...

Without knowing more facts I can't judge this. Perhaps they refuse it because they fear the Turkish researchers would be biased and for example not publish all encounters they make or reinterpret hints they find and so on. You know what I mean.

So no , nor you or rest of the world can know turkish history better than a turk.

Just to give you an extreme example: in North Korea the people are told that the food rations which are regularly delivered by other nations are delivered out of respect and fear of North Korea. And people believe it.

It all depends on what information is accessible to you. Of course, North Korea which doesn't even have an internet access is an extreme example, but if most foreign information tells me something bad about my land/government, but most domestic information keep telling me it's not that bad as everyone claims, I will believe the foreign ones, because they have less motivation to... bend facts... of course the foreign information could be "enemy propaganda", but just ask yourself about the motivations, and things will be clear.

[Cicero]

Without knowing more facts I can't judge this. Perhaps they refuse it because they fear the Turkish researchers would be biased and for example not publish all encounters they make or reinterpret hints they find and so on. You know what I mean.

Just to give you an extreme example: in North Korea the people are told that the food rations which are regularly delivered by other nations are delivered out of respect and fear of North Korea. And people believe it.

It all depends on what information is accessible to you. Of course, North Korea which doesn't even have an internet access is an extreme example, but if most foreign information tells me something bad about my land/government, but most domestic information keep telling me it's not that bad as everyone claims, I will believe the foreign ones, because they have less motivation to... bend facts... of course the foreign information could be "enemy propaganda", but just ask yourself about the motivations, and things will be clear.

You are the most retarted person i've ever seen on internet.
Giving examples from north korea when talking about turkey and genocide totally logical

[Penitent]

You are the most retarted person i've ever seen on internet.
Giving examples from north korea when talking about turkey and genocide totally logical

It's not illogical.  The two countries are COMPLETELY different, but the concept he is trying to convey, that governments give "spun" information to their citizens, is totally universal across all nations.  Not only nations, but corporations and even families do this.  It's a human condition.

[LordBerenger]

Cicero poor intellegence

[Cicero]

It's not illogical.  The two countries are COMPLETELY different, but the concept he is trying to convey, that governments give "spun" information to their citizens, is totally universal across all nations.  Not only nations, but corporations and even families do this.  It's a human condition.

Hey harun do we have a leader that we cry after his loss for weeks but then shout his heir's name for weeks ? I'm totally a nerd that not openning tv just looking to games please help me harun i missed something btw yesterday i mistakely broke communist propaganda symbol in my room , i hope goverment wont genocide my family =(

[[ptx]]

The idea is completely lost on this one.

* [ptx] facepalms

[Ronin]

I am ashamed of him.

[Cicero]

I am ashamed of him.

This guy got a signature as quote from ABAY

[Ronin]

I am concerned of his mental health now

[Cicero]

I am concerned of his mental health now

still not giving a single fuck

[Harafat]

Congrats one and all, you've just provided a perfect example why ALL religion, and national pride, is complete horseshit, and the primary cause of the murder and misery of millions, for generation after generation, millenia after millenia.

lol.  At least your only talking, and not stabbing/shooting/bombing each other.... 

Should all have a beer together and tell your governments and religious leaders to go jump off a cliff.

Sorry to interrupt, just trying to interject some sanity. 

One of these days maybe we will evolve, neither East or west should be bragging about shit, both sides should be ashamed of being nothing more than baboons with a long history of insularism, selfishness, and murderous intent.

Ah, but it is the curse of man, as we sit here, all playing a game pretending to murder each other with sharpened sticks.  As if glorious battles where anything more than organized murder.  As if cultures are anything more than a way to identify someone as an outsider, dehumanize them, and then treat them like shit.

Human pride, religion, nationalism,  its all just a sign that we've not got much further than 2 troops of baboons beating each other over the head with a thigh bone.

See ya on the killing fields, i'm guilty too.

I think i'm falling in love!

[Imloxion]

Well,in a scale of 10 i would put a -3 to this movie,even as a parody there wouldnt be any chances of me laughing...