Author Topic: Dear Balancers  (Read 1104 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Leshma

  • Kickstarter Addict
  • King
  • **********
  • Renown: 1610
  • Infamy: 1946
  • cRPG Player Sir White Rook A Gentleman and a Scholar
  • VOTE 2024
    • View Profile
Dear Balancers
« on: April 07, 2012, 05:04:57 pm »
+4
Why does items of same weight have different stats?

Can you stop acting childish (I'm talking to you, Fasader) and fix stats on some items so they have same weight/stat ratio as others in their class? I'm mainly talking about armor stats.

Offline Le_Banquier

  • Peasant
  • *
  • Renown: 1
  • Infamy: 0
  • cRPG Player
    • View Profile
Re: Dear Balancers
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2012, 06:56:18 pm »
0
visitors can't see pics , please register or login

Offline Aleskander

  • Baron
  • ****
  • Renown: 80
  • Infamy: 48
  • cRPG Player
  • I swear to drunk ossifer I'm not god
    • View Profile
  • Game nicks: Aleskander, Alesoy Varsov
Re: Dear Balancers
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2012, 09:32:09 pm »
+1
visitors can't see pics , please register or login


WRONG MEME
or just troll

"Die in Turkish Penis"-Grabber, 14-6-12
Never forget

Offline Tears of Destiny

  • Naive
  • King
  • **********
  • Renown: 1847
  • Infamy: 870
  • cRPG Player A Gentleman and a Scholar
  • Quiet drifting through shallow waters. 死のび
    • View Profile
    • NADS
  • Faction: Black Company
  • IRC nick: Tears
Re: Dear Balancers
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2012, 09:39:14 pm »
0
(click to show/hide)
I'm not normal and I don't pretend so, my approach is pretty much a bomb crescendo.
Death is a fun way to pass the time though, several little bullets moving in staccato.
The terror of my reign will live on in infamy, singing when they die like a dead man's symphony.

Offline Leshma

  • Kickstarter Addict
  • King
  • **********
  • Renown: 580
  • Infamy: 2754
  • cRPG Player Sir White Rook A Gentleman and a Scholar
  • VOTE 2024
    • View Profile
Re: Dear Balancers
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2012, 11:14:43 pm »
0
What I'm talking about? See it for yourself:

visitors can't see pics , please register or login

Nordic Fighter Helmet
weight: 1.5
head armor: 34
difficulty: 9

vs

visitors can't see pics , please register or login

Crested Boerk with Plume
weight: 1.5
head armor: 29
difficulty: 9

This is just one example, one of the worst.

They say its because some items look good and some don't. I think that's just wrong and biased. Light Kuyak is still one of the best looking armors and best armors stat wise. Certainly, reason for that lies in fact that Nordmen clan use that armor :rolleyes:

Even the slightest differences of one point bothers me, not because it makes one armor better than other one, it's because that tells a story of biased item balancers who obviously favorize certain items they use. Not just that, it's pretty obvious that turkish, mongolian and byzantium gear is worse compared to their favorite gear, for the same reason.

Also, leg armor isn't important at all these days. Giving one armor huge body armor rating and low leg armor rating makes it incredibly OP compared to item of similar weight which has more leg armor.

Sarranid Guard armor has the best armor/weight ratio in game, why there aren't other armors like that one?

Make it fair and right for everyone!

Offline Ronin

  • Marshall
  • ********
  • Renown: 859
  • Infamy: 198
  • cRPG Player
    • View Profile
Re: Dear Balancers
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2012, 11:34:18 pm »
0
Maybe it's because some items should be cheaper but slightly disadvantageous. Also, leg armor is for cavalrymen not infantry. Other than that, I think you have a point there. As an easterling myself, I want eastern armors to be proper, not cheaper. At least not all of them.
Quote from: BlindGuy
Seems the fascists are gaining ground once again in UKR... right vving politics is SO bad for the general populace but STILL in times of trouble the uneducated turn to them for help, simply because they are so amoral they vvill supply those vvilling to fight vvith vveapons rather than knovvledge.

My UU key is broken incase you can't tell :D

Offline rebbrown

  • Knight
  • ***
  • Renown: 34
  • Infamy: 8
  • cRPG Player
    • View Profile
  • Game nicks: RebBrown, RebBrewn, RobBrewn, TimursLameBrother.
Re: Dear Balancers
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2012, 11:39:05 pm »
0
It would be fun from a min-maxer point of view to have multiple options too - now you know what's best and there's no diverting from that. You can wear other stuff and do so because you love it, but it's pretty clear what's best. Diversity please! :D

Offline Slamz

  • Earl
  • ******
  • Renown: 386
  • Infamy: 112
  • cRPG Player
    • View Profile
  • Faction: Norse Horde
  • Game nicks: NH_Slamz
Re: Dear Balancers
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2012, 12:36:34 am »
+2
The Crested Boerk with Plume weighs more to simulate the embarrassment your character feels in wearing a really silly looking hat.  It may literally only weigh 1.1 but it FEELS like 1.5 because of the shame.
Crush your enemies; see them driven before you; hear the lamentations of their women.
Norse Horde

Offline haxKingdom

  • Knight
  • ***
  • Renown: 27
  • Infamy: 27
  • cRPG Player
    • View Profile
Re: Dear Balancers
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2012, 01:14:21 am »
0
doesnt leg armor weight make you slower than weight on body armor? e.g wearing 4.1 pound black armor boots vs 4.4 padded jack. Therefore added leg armor on body armor is balanced.

Offline FRANK_THE_TANK

  • King
  • **********
  • Renown: 1312
  • Infamy: 339
  • cRPG Player Sir White Knight
  • FluckCucker
    • View Profile
  • Faction: A Free and proud Peasant of Fisdnar!!!
  • Game nicks: FRANK_THE_TANK
  • IRC nick: Sippy sip
Re: Dear Balancers
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2012, 01:43:16 am »
0
What I'm talking about? See it for yourself:

visitors can't see pics , please register or login

Nordic Fighter Helmet
weight: 1.5
head armor: 34
difficulty: 9

vs

visitors can't see pics , please register or login

Crested Boerk with Plume
weight: 1.5
head armor: 29
difficulty: 9

This is just one example, one of the worst.

They say its because some items look good and some don't. I think that's just wrong and biased. Light Kuyak is still one of the best looking armors and best armors stat wise. Certainly, reason for that lies in fact that Nordmen clan use that armor :rolleyes:

Even the slightest differences of one point bothers me, not because it makes one armor better than other one, it's because that tells a story of biased item balancers who obviously favorize certain items they use. Not just that, it's pretty obvious that turkish, mongolian and byzantium gear is worse compared to their favorite gear, for the same reason.

Also, leg armor isn't important at all these days. Giving one armor huge body armor rating and low leg armor rating makes it incredibly OP compared to item of similar weight which has more leg armor.

Sarranid Guard armor has the best armor/weight ratio in game, why there aren't other armors like that one?

Make it fair and right for everyone!


... both have massive chunks of metal in them... what are you on about.
Fammi un pompino!

I think I have ball cancer in my right nut :(
Good news everybody! It's not nut cancer :)
Bad news everybody, I got dumped :(

Offline Grumbs

  • طالبان
  • King
  • **********
  • Renown: 1170
  • Infamy: 617
  • cRPG Player Sir White Rook A Gentleman and a Scholar
    • View Profile
Re: Dear Balancers
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2012, 02:23:43 am »
0


Also, leg armor isn't important at all these days. Giving one armor huge body armor rating and low leg armor rating makes it incredibly OP compared to item of similar weight which has more leg armor.

Sarranid Guard armor has the best armor/weight ratio in game, why there aren't other armors like that one?

Make it fair and right for everyone!

Sarranid Guard armour is a bit of an anomaly though, for cost, weight and body armour it is a bit unbalanced. Other ones that come to mind are the ~6k ones with only 38 body armour. They may be good for cav though I guess who might favour leg armour but really you can just wear better boots. Maybe if they don't want to balance those stats they could make boots generally heavier or more expensive?

Pretty much all of the helmets are balanced for weight and cost except that particular style. They should probably be cheaper or lighter
« Last Edit: April 09, 2012, 02:25:26 am by Grumbs »
If you have ranged troubles use this:

visitors can't see pics , please register or login


Offline CrazyCracka420

  • Minute Valuable Contributor
  • Strategus Councillor
  • **
  • Renown: 1950
  • Infamy: 794
  • cRPG Player Sir White Pawn A Gentleman and a Scholar
  • Welp
    • View Profile
  • Faction: Vaegirs
  • Game nicks: Huseby
  • IRC nick: Steam name: crazycracka420
Re: Dear Balancers
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2012, 07:10:30 pm »
0
Well for the helmet example I suppose you could justify the difference being the nord helmet covers more of your head, the plume only covers the top.  So even if they weigh the same, one covers your head better?

Not saying I disagree with the OP, just playing devil's advocate
visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 - Stolen from Macropussy