Nerf the Glaive

[Tzar]

Glaive is fine an once the devs get their shit straight an decide to fix the broken pole stagger mechanic we can all be happy..

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[zagibu]

Animation, the swing frequency is slower but the speed at which it goes trough the air when swung is faster. This is also true for most polearms from my observation. Id like to hear what other peoples experience with the pole vs 2h swing is

Yeah, I have the same impression. When blocking, I usually only look at the movement direction of the swing, so I block late, and against polearm users, I already have to look at the ready stance, before the animation has started, to decide in which direction to block, because the swing will be so fast that I will be too late otherwise.

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

Should we really be nerfing glaive? or buffing the Long Volouge.

[Ronin]

Should we really be nerfing glaive? or buffing the Long Volouge.

The thread is not about long voulge. It is about glaives. I think 90 speed (91 when loomed) is not so fast in terms of speed. But there is something buggy with all polearms. Sometimes, they somehow hit like at 150 speed. I don't really know why, but I see some people have experienced the same thing as me already.

Yeah, I have the same impression. When blocking, I usually only look at the movement direction of the swing, so I block late, and against polearm users, I already have to look at the ready stance, before the animation has started, to decide in which direction to block, because the swing will be so fast that I will be too late otherwise.

Animation, the swing frequency is slower but the speed at which it goes trough the air when swung is faster. This is also true for most polearms from my observation. Id like to hear what other peoples experience with the pole vs 2h swing is

Just fix it, do not nerf it. After it is fixed, we can actually give some thought if it is OP or not. With this bug, it is clearly OP. But it may not be so, after this is fixed.

[Vibe]

Just fix it, do not nerf it. After it is fixed, we can actually give some thought if it is OP or not. With this bug, it is clearly OP.

It's not OP, the difference in swing speed is barely noticable.

[Ronin]

Yeah it is barely noticable when it hits me with a super-fast speed, instead of 90 (or 91) speed. Are you sure you read my post?

[Vibe]

Yeah it is barely noticable when it hits me with a super-fast speed, instead of 90 (or 91) speed. Are you sure you read my post?

Are you sure you read mine? I said it's barely noticable. Tested with 1 wpf, recorded, synchronized, german greatsword vs glaive and watched it frame by frame, it is barely noticable. How do you know it's super-fast speed (150 like you say), or did you just pull that out of your ass?

[Leshma]

Are you sure you read mine? I said it's barely noticable. Tested with 1 wpf, recorded, synchronized, german greatsword vs glaive and watched it frame by frame, it is barely noticable. How do you know it's super-fast speed (150 like you say), or did you just pull that out of your ass?

I think he's talking about chambered glaive which is super fast, just like any other chambered weapon. Problem is that most greatsword users are relaying on their range and when they face someone with a longer "stick" they are confused. Glaive users do the same as every other poleam user, hold chambered weapon and backpedal. If you go after him and try to play a range game with him, you're gonna end up dead.

Issue with chambered glaive isn't it's speed (it's actually a little bit slower than chambered GGS). Thing is that it's hard to tell when they are starting new attack or releasing chambered attack (at least for me).

[Gimest]

Yeah, I have the same impression. When blocking, I usually only look at the movement direction of the swing, so I block late, and against polearm users, I already have to look at the ready stance, before the animation has started, to decide in which direction to block, because the swing will be so fast that I will be too late otherwise.

I seem to have same problem against some good polearmers, speed of their swing, i dont mean the whole thing, but when they release it, it just hits so fast that the game cant response with my block even tough i did see where it was coming from, not a problem normally, but when they start to feint and u gotta keep up where they gonna hit, i just cant seem to get block up when they release the hit :/

[Ronin]

No it's not the fucking chamber or pole vs 2hand comparision. What I mean is sometimes not always glaive or any other polearm hits especially faster than it's normal speed. It must be some kind of bug, I say. Maybe it's because the game engine, maybe it's a lag issue. But the same thing never happened with any other kind of weapon type.

I seem to have same problem against some good polearmers, speed of their swing, i dont mean the whole thing, but when they release it, it just hits so fast that the game cant response with my block even tough i did see where it was coming from, not a problem normally, but when they start to feint and u gotta keep up where they gonna hit, i just cant seem to get block up when they release the hit :/

This!

[Gurnisson]

Maybe one of the good polearmers hiltslashed you

[Vibe]

No it's not the fucking chamber or pole vs 2hand comparision. What I mean is sometimes not always glaive or any other polearm hits especially faster than it's normal speed. It must be some kind of bug, I say. Maybe it's because the game engine, maybe it's a lag issue. But the same thing never happened with any other kind of weapon type.
This!

There's no bug related to suddenly faster polearm speed. It's either lag or like Gurni said, a hiltslash.

[Ronin]

Hiltslash? I've never heard such a thing before! It still doesn't makes sense it does full damage though.

[CrazyCracka420]

Hiltslash? I've never heard such a thing before! It still doesn't makes sense it does full damage though.

Hitlslash is where you hit someone with the hilt of the weapon as it's starting it's swing (I think you have to turn into it), so basically when you first start swinging it can register a hit, and if you're turning with it, you get the speed bonus applied.  I'm cavalry so I don't really experience it, but I'm pretty sure that's what it is.

[Ronin]

Ok that's what I'm doing for approximately 1 year in duels. But I have never experienced such a thing with those buggy polearms. Whatever weapon I used in native or whatever non-polearm weapon you used in cRPG, that never happened as fast and as buggy as polearm version. I am serious. It was such an ublockable thing. It was faster than Khorin's and Thomek's katana swings (or any other level +30 ninja out there). Are you serious this is not a bug?

I am also 75% certain it was not because of lag. There was something evil with those evil mw glaives and mw long war axes.