New 1h sword : Yataghan

[BattalGazi]

That makes absolutely no sense, why would a curved blade be better at striking weak spots like joints when its designed to cut and not pierce.
A long pointy sword is apparently effective against plate armors weak spots, the complete opposite of this yataghan sword.

I'm quoting from Turkish wiki:

Yatağan'ın bıçak eğimi, İspanyol "falcata"sı, Mısır "kopesh"i ve Yunan "kopis"iyle benzerlik göstermektedir. Yarımay biçimide bir gövdenin, iç kısmı keskin, dış kısmı ise küttür. Yatağan, görünüş itibariyle doğu esintileri taşısa da, kullanımı daha ziyade Romalıların "gladius"larına benzer. Zira, pala, şimşir gibi kılıçlar, darbe enerjisini bıçağa yayarak, kesme üzerine odaklanırken, düz kılıçlar daha çok enerjiyi kılıcın ucuna yakın odaklayarak, daha sert darbeler vurma eğilimindedir. Yatağanda ise, kılıcın ucu keskin kenar üzerine yatırılarak, uç kısımın açısı değiştirilmiş, kılıç daha çok baş-boyun bölgesine vurulması için geliştirilmiştir. Boyna inen sert bir darbe, bu bölgede zaten zayıf olan ortaçağ zırhlarından pek etkilenmeden hasmı öldürebilir. Avrupalılar bu kullanım tarzına istinaden, bir çift yatağana "kelle makası" demişlerdir.

Unfortunately I couldn't find the English version of it but you can translate it with google. The text above basically says that, the recurve at the end of the yataghan tip is solely designed for hitting head/neck areas of the target. With a strong hit, the sword can easily cut the flesh which is protected by weak parts of medieval armor. Therefore Europeans called this sword, if used with double hands, "head scissors" Actually your quote from the wiki also denotes that "other weapons" designed for this purpose also penetrates the weak spots of the armor.

Well, the thing is, we are only supporting this sword because its stylish and effective and we want to use it. I'm not a swordmaster to argue about why the yataghan sword is good or bad, and neither can you. So the best thing is to stop arguing about the historical facts and hope someone finishes the models and dev team includes this baby in the next patch.

[EponiCo]

Well, yes, add them, but just give them standard sword stats. Something like Große Messer.
The problem with exotic weapons with great stats is pretty much obvious when you look at the Sidesword.

[Ujin]

Oh i see, a hammer can hit nails so therefore a curved sword can cut through plated metal?
You dont seem to understand that a sword cannot cut through plate armor, which is what OP and others are suggesting.

The hammer i got in the toolbox is probably heavier than this knife we're discussing.

No, you don't really see , at all. And don't put words in my mouth next time we speak please.Cheers.

[Noctivagant]

I'm for it! (I support this from the bottom of my heart.)

@Noc
We know there are many variations of this weapon.
But the yataghan with the grip made from bone (with the typically ears at the grip) would be better. It has a better looking style, and the grip also makes it so special:

http://www.hermann-historica.de/auktion/hhm60.pl?db=kat60_m.txt&f=ZAEHLER&c=122&t=temartic_M_GB&co=18
http://www.hermann-historica.de/auktion/hhm60.pl?db=kat60_m.txt&f=ZAEHLER&c=124&t=temartic_M_GB&co=16
http://www.hermann-historica.de/auktion/hhm60.pl?db=kat60_m.txt&f=ZAEHLER&c=123&t=temartic_M_GB&co=17

However you'd have to edit them a little using Photoshop etc.. (The grips of the Yataghans have cracks, and are not as "bone-white" as original.)

I have uploaden an other high res. yataghan image for you. Actually, I had to do it before. But unfortunately, I have many orders and can create only a certain number of armor and helmets. And this only when I have some free time.

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PS: More good news for my Clan-Mates. I have completed an other helmet (solak), and am doing the Janissary helmet.

Never-ever use Pshop for texturing, just use Mudbox or Body Painter bro. Far better and normal maps are so easy. I'm kinda waiting a bit developer interest in this topic. Then I'll finish it model is ready for the game just texture is not there yet.

[Marshal_Nemesis]

So how can i have a developers interest in this topic?..do we have some mailing or pming order or they will just pop in check the poll..

btw poll is %75 right now..

[Bobthehero]

You need to have a relatively good model and OK textures, then I don't know.

[Marshal_Nemesis]

No admin movement yet so far.. :/

[Grey]

No admin movement yet so far.. :/

why is your avatar PinkBeard The Pirate?? Cool and all.....


Anyway, GET admin movement, go on mirc and ask one of the devs to take a look if you want to see movement so bad.

[Marshal_Nemesis]

PinkBeard The Pirate??..WTF

He is Hayreddin Barbarossa an Ottoman admiral who dominated the Mediterranean for decades.. for information : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayreddin_Barbarossa

İ dont need any movement badly.. i just want to know if this work is any good to this mod.. If they say..we dont care then i wont continue to my research about medieval weapons..if they say we are interested than i will work on my second project..thats all

[Siiem]

Looks like a giant steak knife I did vote yes however, more weapons the better.

[Grey]

PinkBeard The Pirate??..WTF

He is Hayreddin Barbarossa an Ottoman admiral who dominated the Mediterranean for decades.. for information : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayreddin_Barbarossa

Dude, Barbarossa means pinkbeard, and Ottaman Admiral = Spanish Pirate. Just like Sir Francis Drake = English Admiral = Spanish Pirate.

EDIT: have not read about it since school, But Barbarossa became his actual name I believe, even among his fellow turks.

Was a good commander, but as always, and especially with the bloody religious battles between ottomans and spain, one countries heroes are the other countries baddies.

[Opium.dk]

Looks like a giant steak knife I did vote yes however, more weapons the better.

Thats what it is, but according to several historians and scientists on here it can slice through plated metal.

[BattalGazi]

Thats what it is, but according to several historians and scientists on here it can slice through plated metal.

Dude you are such a determined troll

[Opium.dk]

Dude you are such a determined troll

I just think its funny that people claim it be some magic sword, like the weeaboos claim the katana to be.

[Marshal_Nemesis]

Some more information who wants to learn more.. pls stop trolling..

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Yatagan of Suleyman I, 1526, length 66cm, Topkapi Museum.
Masterwork Yatagan
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Handle detail, yatagan of Suleyman I, 1526, Topkapi Museum
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Detail from the blade, yatagan of Suleyman I, Topkapi Museum.

YATAGAN, THE TURKISH SWORD
The yatagan, a type of Turkish sword (which indeed became known in other countries as the 'Turkish sword') used from the mid-16th to late 19th centuries, was decorated with the same degree of craftsmanship as used to ensure the strength and sharpness of its blade. The yatagan is distinguishable from other types of swords by various characteristics. The pommel of the bone, horn, ivory or silver hilt spreads out in two wings to either side, a feature which prevents the sword slipping out of the hand in battle. A broad thick metal band covers the join between the hilt and blade. The richest yatagans have hilts of silver or copper gilt set with coral, emeralds, rubies and other precious stones, and similar decoration adorns the scabbards. Yatagan blades vary from 60 to 80 cm in length and are slightly curved towards the sharp edge. While the back of the blade is made of iron, the sharp edge is made of steel for strength. The flat of the blade is frequently engraved or inlaid with motifs or inscriptions, the latter sometimes literary, such as a line of poetry or reference to an epic legend, sometimes religious in content, such as a verse from the Koran or a prayer, and sometimes words expressing the thoughts of the sword's owner. There may also be the mark of the swordsmith, the declaration of God's unity, and words identifying the ruler of the time and wishing him victorious. Often the blade also has a Seal of Solomon motif consisting of a star formed by two superimposed triangles. The damascened inlay work on these swords was executed by engraving the design or inscription, filling the grooves with molten gold or silver, and finally grinding the surface smooth. Another method used for silver decoration was to lay fine silver wire to form the outline of the design, and it is this technique which is found most frequently on yatagan blades. A single sword was created by a number of craftsmen, each specialising in a particular field. While one made the iron and steel blade, another made the hilt, another the scabbard, and still another did the decoration, which as well as engraving and inlaying, included filigree and granulation.

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The good Yatagans are forged from pattern welded Damascus steel in a pattern known as “Turkish ribbon”

The yatagans used by janissaries and other infantry soldiers were smaller and lighter than ordinary swords so as not to hinder them when carried at the waist on the march. It is named after the town of Yatagan in southwest Turkey which was conquered by a Seljuk commander and blacksmith named Osman Bey, whose cognomen was Yatagan Baba. Yatagan Baba later settled there, and gave his name not only to the town, but to the famous swords which were produced there. The swords of Yatagan are frequently mentioned in historic books and documents, and confirm oral accounts of the town's history, although yatagans were also made in all the major cities of the Ottoman Empire, particularly Istanbul, Bursa and Plovdiv.
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