More diversity for throwing axes

[Gurnisson]

Right now there's no variety in the throwing axes. If you see axes flying through the air you can be pretty sure that it's a heavy throwing axe. Why? Because the other axes are weaker in every aspect but price and difficulty. Seemingly, the only who use these low-tier axes are the ones going with 2-3 throwing and can't use the heavy ones.

I would suggest making the axes somewhat like the spear type of throwing weapons. The spears have some more variety because there's actually a tactical difference between them and not just the difficulty and the damage. The throwing spears requires one more power throw than its more damaging counterpart and is also a bit slower and a bit less accuracte, but you get one more spear. There's a choice you have to make depending on your playstyle if you want that extra spear in each bag or go with more damage on each hit (and score them a bit easier). Javelins are the cheaper counterpart that requires less PT.

I suggest the same could be done with axes. Keep Franciscas as the low-tier axes that requires less PT, make the regular throwing axe have 4 ammo, up its difficulty to 5, up the price and slightly lower its accuracy. Basically, make the same trade-off between jarids and spears between regular throwing axes and heavy throwing axes.


Thoughts?

[Herkkutatti]

I have no idea about throwing stuff in general, but sounds reasonable   

+1.

[zagibu]

I support this suggestion.

[LastKaze]

I see people use darts, throwing spears, and jarids, but I'm NA and your Eu.

[Ronin]

Perhaps lowering the speed of the heavy axes and increasing the speed of fransisca a bit might help as well. I'm talking about the throwing/attacking speed here, not the projectile speed.

[Gurnisson]

I see people use darts, throwing spears, and jarids, but I'm NA and your Eu.

I see the same and that's not what I'm talking about. How many franciscas and regular throwing axes do you see? This is just a suggestion to make the other axes a bit more viable too.

Let's say 80 % of the throwers use the best weapon that they can find while 20 % are looking for the cheapest option or least investment and just want something to throw to stun archers or throw at the melee blob.

Three types of spears: Javelins, Throwing Spears, Jarids
Three types of axes: Francisca, Throwing Axes, Heavy Throwing Axes

If one goes for the spear types of weapons the 20 % would go for javelins. The other 80 % would make a choice between jarids and spears, let's say a 40/40 split.
If one goes for the axes, 20 % would split between franciscas and regular throwing axes, let's say a 10/10 split while the remaining 80 % would go for the heavy throwing axes.

That's why I suggest the change, to get some variety for the axes. Make the regular throwing axe require more PT, give it one more axe and reduce its accuracy a bit. This would make a difficult choice for an axe thrower if he wants the best weapon, just like it's with spears. More damage, higher projectile speed and more accuracy or one more axe in each stack?

[Jarlek]

Agreed. When I was a thrower last gen, I found NO REASON, whatsoever, to take the throwing axes over the heavy throwing axes. The heavy ones where just so much better. The +1 ammo seems a pretty good deal. I always had a hard time choosing between throwing spears and jarids, just because of that extra ammo.

[Digglez]

very good point by OP. +1

Here is a 5+ generation hybrid throwers thoughts/ideas/suggestions

increase missile speed on francs and possibly +1 ammo

increase accuracy on reg axes

[Phew]

Fanciscas should be 5 per stack
Throwing axes 4 per stack

Maybe add a cheese knife (tiny little axe) with 6 per stack:
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[Thomek]

This kind of dilemma should be with nearly all weapons though.. but step by step

[Digglez]

You know something is wrong if stones nearly have more DAMAGE than both other types of axes types combined.  Using NA numbers cuz we have significantly bigger throwing presence.


NA Thrown dmg done (infantry only, mounted removed)
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Jarid                        431,517  26.43%
Heavy Throwing Axe           367,085  22.48%
War Darts                    215,984  13.23%
Throwing Spear               178,360  10.92%
Throwing Lance               80,450   4.93% 
Javelins                     62,017   3.80% 
Throwing Hammer              51,554   3.16% 
Stones                       42,571   2.61% 
Throwing Daggers             37,973   2.33% 
Francisca                    26,155   1.60% 
Throwing Axe                 22,531   1.38% 
Snowflake                    17,959   1.10% 
Darts                        13,975   0.86% 
Throwing Knives              3,321    0.20% 
4-Point Shuriken             2,535    0.16% 
6-Point Shuriken             505      0.03% 
Smoke Bomb                   271      0.02% 
Siege Shield                 18       0.00% 

[Gurnisson]

 

[Gurnisson]

 

[Herkkutatti]

Siege Shield                 18       0.00%

[Mallets]

I've kind of always lumped the Throwing Hammers in with the Throwing Axes.  Maybe with them included, there is diversity?