[Unban Essay] How a non-racist remark can be marked racist

[JohnAdams]

The pedantry over whether it's bigotry or racism is really missing the point imo

[Slamz]

The pedantry over whether it's bigotry or racism is really missing the point imo

I disagree.  It's important because admins have not been enforcing bigotry.  George Washington was not banned for racism, he was banned for bigotry(*).

So.... we're enforcing a no-bigotry rule now?

I'm not saying they SHOULDN'T smack down all forms of bigotry, but that means laying the 500-word essay ban on everyone who uses words like "retard", "my old friend" or talks about the people of any nation in a negative way.  (I doubt I would have to search hard to find plenty of examples of anti-American bigotry that have gone unpunished, so why the sudden crackdown on someone who said something about Mexico?)



(* - actually, saying that all Mexicans should be killed to stop the drug trade isn't even bigotry, really.  It's more like, I dunno, either a hyperbole or just a really extreme, bad idea.  Maybe we're banning hyperboles and bad ideas now.  I don't know.  I mean I am certainly a cheerful spokesman when it comes to banning people and I'm not real sure I'd miss George Washington, who I mainly think of in terms of him trolling the game at various times in the past, but I'm not on board with this particular ban.)

[JohnAdams]

I disagree.  It's important because admins have not been enforcing bigotry.  George Washington was not banned for racism, he was banned for bigotry(*).

So.... we're enforcing a no-bigotry rule now?

I'm not saying they SHOULDN'T smack down all forms of bigotry, but that means laying the 500-word essay ban on everyone who uses words like "retard", "my old friend" or talks about the people of any nation in a negative way.  (I doubt I would have to search hard to find plenty of examples of anti-American bigotry that have gone unpunished, so why the sudden crackdown on someone who said something about Mexico?)


(* - actually, saying that all Mexicans should be killed to stop the drug trade isn't even bigotry, really.  It's more like, I dunno, either a hyperbole or just a really extreme, bad idea.  Maybe we're banning hyperboles and bad ideas now.  I don't know.  I mean I am certainly a cheerful spokesman when it comes to banning people and I'm not real sure I'd miss George Washington, who I mainly think of in terms of him trolling the game at various times in the past, but I'm not on board with this particular ban.)

Racism is a type of bigotry, and afaik it's mostly left up to admin discretion what types of bigotry "count." I've seen mutes over homophobia and sexism before, and I'm sure there've been bans over the same and other types of bigotry. imo though, arguing this amounts to rules lawyering, which doesn't really get us anywhere. The real issue should be over whether admins judge potentially bigoted things in-context or in a vacuum. Obviously, if you were to just take what he said with no context at all, it would be extreme and bigoted to say the least, but in context it's pretty clearly not intended to be mean at all, just a (bad) joke.

[FF_GeorgeWashington]

I would like to hear the thoughts of the admin who issued the ban.  I admit that my statement was more on the radical end but I didn't use any racial insults and it was more of a joke then sincere.  I do also agree with NH with the anti American bigotry and most Americans don't give a crap because people shouldn't take offense in a video game when no racist terminology is used.  Usually Europeans don't even take offense.  The Americans and British have insulted each other ever since we booted their empire out of the Americas.  It's all in good fun and people know not to take it seriously unless you have some sort of hate or prejudice against the person.  I know I'm not the most well liked player but I apologize for tk's and twing and I haven't trolled in months.  If the admins are basing me from the past, then so be it I guess.

[Kalam]

Unbanned. I don't really care about quality so much as you taking the time to think about it for a second.

[JohnAdams]

Unbanned. I don't really care about quality so much as you taking the time to think about it for a second.

im glad that you gave him, and all of us, the opportunity to think about the joke that he made

[oprah_winfrey]

Also, George Washington was not a Republican.

Who claims that he is in this thread?

[hospitaller_frogger]

This game is dumb.  Making people write unban essays is even dumbererer.  Admins take this stuff too seriously.

[Tears of Destiny]

Who claims that he is in this thread?

No one, it was merely an observation as I found his Avatar combined with his text underneath it to be humorous, as GW had notable differing ideals from that of the Republican Party.

[Jacko]

Hah what. I say he should write his OWN essay instead of just ripping the second search result from google.

http://resistracism.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/internet-racism/

[Vibe]

Hah what. I say he should write his OWN essay instead of just ripping the second search result from google.

http://resistracism.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/internet-racism/

OWNED HARD

8 bans, now copying an essay to get an easy unban.
Perma ban this fucker, clearly he hasn't learned shit.

[larlek]

OWNED HARD

8 bans, now copying an essay to get an easy unban.
Perma ban this fucker, clearly he hasn't learned shit.

Considering the fact that he did nothing wrong in the first place, I don't think there was a lesson to learn anyway. That is unless you see wanting the chinese to invade mexico to stop the drug cartel as a bad thing.

[Vibe]

Considering the fact that he did nothing wrong in the first place, I don't think there was a lesson to learn anyway. That is unless you see wanting the chinese to invade mexico to stop the drug cartel as a bad thing.

>> 8 bans <<

[Cepeshi]

you americans are so full of win 

[oprah_winfrey]

No one, it was merely an observation as I found his Avatar combined with his text underneath it to be humorous, as GW had notable differing ideals from that of the Republican Party.

Actually republicanism has nothing to do with the republican party. Perhaps reading a book before insulting someone would help.