Nerf Couched!

[LastKaze]

I think the lance should break if your couching someone wearing heavy armor, or atleast 25% chance of the lance breaking after couching.

[Jarlek]

Today I saw an ally of mine be couched by a guy on a destrier. My ally was standing pretty much still, took it in the chest, but survived. I stood there dumbfolded, thinking "the FUCK did they do with couch damage?". Buff it.

Also useless poll is useless. Two options for "No, but increase damage to horse" but NO options for the simple, and pretty obvious choice "No, buff them". Even if you don't AGREE that it should be buffed, you'll have to agree that it should be in the poll. What we have no is a poll between "keep it as it is" and different variations of nerfing cav. Biased like a bawse!


PS: I like the "lance is 0slot, x% chance of breaking" idea.

[Kafein]

Super biased poll. If anything should be done about couched lances, it's :

- Buffing the damage. It's so weak even some archers can survive a couched lance nowadays.
- Fixing the animation glitches.
- Increasing the speed of horses and reducing the impact of slopes on speed. With heavy horses it's difficult to start a couched lance attack because you can barely reach the needed speed.

[Joker86]

Honestly, in my opinion everyone who dies to a cavalryman and was NOT distracted by fighting another melee is the only one who is to blame for his death.

Cavalry is the only class which can't really attack if the enemy knows where you are, except for shielders maybe. If infantry players wouldn't suck so much concerning awareness and teamplay, cavalry couldn't make any kills at all. If anything, cavalry needs a buff in many stats, at leat in theory, but with so many players who literally suck at fighting cav (they act like cav didn't exist on the field - they just run in a straight line towards enemy infantry, while listening to music in the background  ), you need to nerf them to a ridiculous level to fit them to the reality on the servers. That's why armoured horses need to get oneshotted into the legs, which is completely retarded, but I can't really support a buff for them, unless the average player behaviour on the servers doesn't change.

I say leave everything as it is.

[Argoth]

So let me get this straight, a horse at full gallop which is going 40-50 MPH (64-80 KPH) (or an armored horse which is going about 30 MPH 48KPH) and a couched lance with all the force and speed of the horse behind it, you think wouldnt one hit your horse/rider/infantryman? It would go straight through that fucking horse or infantryman.

[rustyspoon]

Yes, but also with this speed you can choose unaware targets. And 70% of players is unaware. Reloading xbowers, aiming archers, charging shielders etc...
And this speed is very good if you prefer Boom-zoom tactics - only possible tactics with great lance.

Saying that something is OP when your opponents are dumb isn't a good reason.

[Haze_The_Hobo]

So let me get this straight, a horse at full gallop which is going 40-50 MPH (64-80 KPH) (or an armored horse which is going about 30 MPH 48KPH) and a couched lance with all the force and speed of the horse behind it, you think wouldnt one hit your horse/rider/infantryman? It would go straight through that fucking horse or infantryman.

So let me get this straight, i hit you in the head with big ass sword in full speed and you survive my attack, but i am supposed to die to yours?

[San]

On my 5 riding character 24/15 with no cav looms and heavy lance and large warhorse (so not very fast), a couch 1shot an 11 IF, full heavy plate guy. I thought that was pretty ridiculous, when he would probably take at least 4-5 hits from my steel pick (anti-tincan weapon).

I think speed bonus should be harsher for cav. Speed bonus should work more against him. If I get hit, I lose like 20-40% unless it's from a full frontal assault where I get hit very hard for like 70%. Whenever I stab someone from horse, I know they felt a lot of damage, even if I wasn't going too fast.

I have ~55 armor all around and 40 leg armor.

You shouldn't be able to fully knockdown someone at 5mph (I can turn around, move my heavy horse like 4-8 meters and that's fast enough to knockdown).

[Argoth]

All of you are retarded, a 2,000 LB warhorse would have no problem knocking a 180-220 LB human even going 5 miles an hour.
and screw this armor bullshit, realistically, you would all be fucked, even 11 IF plate bundle of stickss

I mean think about it, would you have problem knocking down a 40 lb 3 year old if you were speed walking? no not one bit unless you are 3 years old yourself

[San]

Whatever speed slightly faster than walking but less than jogging is.

[Wookimonsta]

DERP DERP DERP DERPI DERP DERP

first off, couch doesn't ensure OHK. I've been hit by couch and survived, just ask templar vincent, i couched him (If you know what i mean) and he stayed alive.

Slow horses do less damage with couch than fast horses. Fast horses are made out of glass and will explode if you look at em wrong.

Person couching is very vulnerable. The couch range is quite short with a heavy lance (which is what almost everyone is using) and a lot of weapons outrange the couch.

[Vibe]

Oh boy

[Materia]

Yes, nerf speed bonus for lance thrust. Its one hit K.O., cant be like that. Mostly cavalry is on the top score list. Also get rid of this crap, when they "tickle" you with horse, and you just fall down.

[BlindGuy]

STOP posting in this thread, and an admin move it to spam pls:

I havent played cav for over 18 months now, at all, not even on an alt. During that time many things have made me rage about cav: The invisible phantom range of 1handers, being bumped THEN lanced (Not possible IRL since the distance from lance fulcrum point to ground is lesser than lance length, therefor cannot stab things below/behind them...but o well).

During this time I played many and very varied infantry and ranged classes. All I have seen is cavalry, especially polearm cav, get weaker and easier to predict and kill. They have had their surviveability massively reduced by making ALL horses a 1hit with a decent weapon to legs. They have had their most historically realistic close up fighting style taken from them: fighting of the left side of horse, behind shield, stabbing repeatedly. They really got a lot taken away from them.

BEFORE all these nerfs, JUST as now, their LEAST dangerous weapon WAS/IS the couch: To see the rider aproach is all it takes to not get couched. You can choose a massive variety of ways to avoid couching: Keyboard buttons A and S make you couch safe, jumping combined with these makes you couch safe, spearing the horse make you couch safe, shooting the rider or his shield makes you couch safe. Sometimes standing completely still when they expect you to run makes you couch safe. Trees make you couch safe, fences mae you couch safe, shields and teammates make you couch safe. Slight inclines in the ground make you couch safe. Water makes you couch safe. TBH, you have to a stupid unaware twat to get couched 99% of the time:

Sometimes, when fighting many others, sure, you will get couched: At this point, does it matter that the FIFTH guy ganking you Couched you? No, you would have been just as dead from any other well built class backstabbing you.

THE ONLY REASON I can see for this thread being started: OP is heavy armour crutching tool, probably got a crossbow, doesnt look around, isnt aware, doesnt have sound and has built his character so badly he cannot even evade the most predictable and least efficient attack in the game.

This is a definite /end to this thread, all posts below this will just confirm that I'm right, couching is not dangerous unless you are playing blindfolded with the sound off.

[Molly]

Damage and Couch aren't the real problem but the massive amount of cav lately is.
Playing on EU1 it's not a rare thing to have 20 and even more cavs "trolling" the server. Esspecially on small maps it's just pain in the ass with so many horses around.
And thanks to banner-balance they tend to be on one team mostly too...