Arrow Damage Type

[StanleyPain]

Put it back to piercing. Archery had enough of a nerf as it is with the slow draw speed. Cut Damage is beyond terrible. 8+ Shots to take out a heavy armor wearer, something like 20 to take down a horse, 5 hits to take out a leather wearer while we where having archer wars across a few house roofs.

[LLJK_DirtyCajun]

To bad there won't be that many heavy anythings soon.

[Baggy]

The patch is an indiect buff to the archer class, just wait for the tincans to run out of money.

[StanleyPain]

Seeing enough heavy armor and armored horses as it is. Problem being that just about everything medium and up has really good resistances to cut damage. It's a bad change plain an simple. Outside of headshots it's taking on average 4-5 hits to bring someone down which is just not right.

40+ rounds played so far and I've seen more cav now then before. Pretty easy to get 100,000+ gold if you play your cards right.

Saying that something is going to be balanced by the upkeep costs is pretty ridiculous because there aren't any upkeep costs if you're not on a losing team, and it doesn't matter because just about any armor has lots of cut resistance. Took 3 near point blank arrows to kill a naked person, with bodkins + strong bow.

[StanleyPain]

The patch is an indiect buff to the archer class, just wait for the tincans to run out of money.

It's a wonderful indirect buff to cav right now.

[TASS]

It's a wonderful indirect buff to cav right now.

Me Pikeman, me likes ;)

[bruce]

Problem being that just about everything medium and up has really good resistances to cut damage. It's a bad change plain an simple. Outside of headshots it's taking on average 4-5 hits to bring someone down which is just not right.

Oh, imagine, it's not a automatic anti-tank gun anymore. You have to hit people multiple times for them to die. Horror!

CRPG has never been more enjoyable to play.

By the way, when people with archers get back to level 30 or close, it'll probably take them three kills to kill a average person, which sounds quite fine to me. Outside of expensive superweapons, it's not uncommon to require three - four hits to down a person, yet you want to do it in less from range.

[StanleyPain]

So you're saying it's normal and ok for it to require 8+ arrows to kill someone in heavy armor? 6 Arrows to kill a non armored horse, and 4 headshots to kill a plated one? 3 hits to kill someone naked? Crossbows can still 1 shot someone from across the map, and they still have piercing damage as well. Probably time to roll up a pure crossbowman ;)

[bruce]

Crossbows can still 1 shot someone from across the map, and they still have piercing damage as well.

You must've missed the crossbow damage nerf 

[Helrekkr]

So you're saying it's normal and ok for it to require 8+ arrows to kill someone in heavy armor? 6 Arrows to kill a non armored horse, and 4 headshots to kill a plated one? 3 hits to kill someone naked? Crossbows can still 1 shot someone from across the map, and they still have piercing damage as well. Probably time to roll up a pure crossbowman ;)

But you can already shoot 3 arrows while I shoot 1 bolt

[StanleyPain]

Apparently my dead body didn't

I can probably fire 1.5 - 2 arrows in that time. Draw speed when you don't have a tripple heirloomed bow of awesome is pretty damn slow right now.

[Furax]

Yeah, me as an archer.. Im gonna conquer the world in Rome:Total war, hope archers will be welcome again after im done.

Not enough that now we gotto make every shoot count like a damn xbow because of that lame animation.

But even if we take our sweet time planting a nice shoot, its barely gonna damage your chainmail/heavyleather+ dude because its CUT damage..ofcourse, that makes total sense.

Hope it gets worked out, peace for now

[Farrok]

But you can already shoot 3 arrows while I shoot 1 bolt

and crossbow can still be a good side weapon where an archer need all his points in archery



archery nerf with:
cut damage, wpf costs more

though i must say archers have it really really good...compared to Horse Archers, they are now somewhat impossible...

you still need 6 agi each HA
3-4 HA(which decrease accuracy and damage by a good amount on horse) + cut damage + less wpf = a lvl 30 peasant on some donkey who cant kill anything


and the thingy about no one will wear plate is bad balancing...its possible to have plate so you need to balance this out too

its a double nerf for archers and triple nerf for horse archers...so subtract 1 nerf each and its good.


more cutting damage for bows (more on unarmored less damage on heavy armored)
or
let damage stay but change it to pierce damage
or better accuracy, maybe with pd works like in native?

[Helrekkr]

and crossbow can still be a good side weapon where an archer need all his points in archery

Sorry, I don't think I can afford to use my Well Made Siege Crossbow as a side weapon

[Farrok]

Sorry, I don't think I can afford to use my Well Made Siege Crossbow as a side weapon

than buy a cheaper crossbow...you dont need the best crossbow heirloomed as a side weapon