Stats DAY!

[LastKaze]

It's funny how the melee differences between continents somewhat settled down but the xbow stats are nearly complete opposites.

That's cuz your EU servers don't have like 10 xbow cavs running around, I rather play in EU servers sometimes when i face this issue -.-

[Leshma]

That's cuz your EU servers don't have like 10 xbow cavs running around, I rather play in EU servers sometimes when i face this issue -.-

We had more than 10 buzzing around but not atm.

Shogunate alts, Nordmen alts...

[LastKaze]

We had more than 10 buzzing around but not atm.

Shogunate alts, Nordmen alts...

Your talking bout alts, these are not alts for example, the SEMENstorm clan a.k.a Rohypnol and a bunch of other my old friends on a horse with mw light xbows and mw steel bolts.

[Kafein]

Ninja edit.

There are some massive melee differences, especially regarding a bias towards long weapons for EU and short weapons for NA. This might actually explain why is WM valued more in EU too, as long weapons are slower and thus benefit more from wpf.

[Lemmy_Winks]

Shows how OP those fucking 1 slot xbows are, how bout make all xbows 2 slots (except hunting xbow) so that this reduces the amount of bolts an xbow cav can shoot, and that people can't use it as a "sidearm".

Edit: Oh and uh nerf xbow cav, shits OP as hell.

I agree with this, will stop melee spec people from running around with an xbow.

[Cyclopsided]

Ninja edit.

There are some massive melee differences, especially regarding a bias towards long weapons for EU and short weapons for NA. This might actually explain why is WM valued more in EU too, as long weapons are slower and thus benefit more from wpf.

we value athletics as the only reason to get agi for 2h / pole only melee chars. Letting us do 24/18 builds and such.

[Kivlov]

I agree with this, will stop melee spec people from running around with an xbow.

No, it'll just ruin a lot of peoples builds. It doesn't address crossbows not needing WPF to be good or HXbows being irritating as hell.

Horse Crossbows are only problematic when the player is skilled and has heirloomed gear like ROH. All his clones suck at it because they lack not only the looms, but the ability to compensate for their horses movement. It's similar to a lot of archers not compensating for arrows being lower than the crosshair which is why a lot of would be head/body shots hit lower.

The problem isn't it being overpowered, but that they draw rounds out longer than they would be if they weren't horse xbow.

[Penguin]

I think we could come to a medium here. Instead of just outright nerfing xbow cav, just severely impede their speed while they are reloading. It makes sense as far as "realism" goes (xbow cav? really) and it also will force HX's to be smart about where and when they reload

[CrazyCracka420]

I hate xbow cavs, but I respect them greatly (like most of the playstyles and people I "hate").  They serve a purpose, that purpose is keeping other cavalry off their friendly infantry.  They are pretty damn good at destroying horses, not so good at killing 20 enemy infantry when they're the last one alive.

They serve a purpose, yes they can be annoying, yes it's probably not historically accurate, but they are just as much serving a vital role as anyone else, every time they hit an enemy horse they are helping their team win.

[Turboflex]

I agree they really dont bother me until the end when you have 100 people waiting for them to stop dragging on a round. As a class itself they aren't very OP, it's just the social problems they cause.

That's why I think an anti-stalling rule would be best, force them to dismount when they are only ones left, or better yet, fix master of field flags so they appear faster (maybe after 15 seconds of no kill, when there's 2:30 mins or less left).

[CrazyCracka420]

Yeah turbo I totally agree that fixing MotF would fix a lot of these issues, and horse xbows wouldn't have such a bad rep.

[Lt_Anders]

They serve a purpose, yes they can be annoying, yes it's probably not historically accurate,

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16th century French mounted crossbowman ("cranequinier"). His crossbow is drawn with a rack-and-pinion "cranequin", so it can be used while riding.

They were historically accurate. Ment to combat Enemy HAs. Also wearing plate armor.

[Phew]

Why am I not surprised it was the French that championed this "horse crossbow" tactic. That drawing is probably inaccurate though, as it seems like the rider would have trouble firing backwards while retreating.

[BoZo]

The Chinese also had crossbow cavalry.

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http://www.chinaahistoryofwarfare.com/blog/576052-han-dynasty-horse/

[Spawny]

Since when did HC's become a bigger threat/problem/annoyance than HA's?