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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #120 on: March 06, 2012, 01:35:14 pm »
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Heh, interesting read this was.

Since I started playing this mod, I've basicly only been using the GLA. It's been nerfed a couple of times over the last year, to the point of where the cheaper axe (long war axe) is now a better choice. People complain about the GLA, but I'm gonna tell you now: be thankful more people have not "discovered" the poleaxe and glaive. The two ultimate 4 direction polearms. Does anyone disagree? -->
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What is all this fuss about hiltslashing? Yeah, I practiced it, others do, and they start to use it. The GLA is not good at hiltslashing, the player your facing is. When I play on my HBS character, I can hiltslash more than I could ever dream of with my slow axe. I can kill people by being faster and actually "outskill" them, and not in the "who gets bored first" fashion of a GLA fight. So much that I've seriously considered respeccing to a longsword build, but the axe carries to much nostalgia for me at this point.

The statistics show that the DGS, longspears and GLA's are a common sight on EU1. You cant only blaim that they are good weapons, since there are other, less used and much more potent weapons available out there. (Long spear is always powerful though) Some of the high usage could surely be blamed people trying to copy a player they like or are impressed with. What about all the Phyrex clones back in the day? Or people seeing Cooties ripping up 20 people by himself with a DGS, well, I wouldnt be surprised if some players picked up after him. Take Chase and Gurnisson for instance. They were ripping up everything with awlpike / long awlpike, and suddenly it seemed like every other polearmer had one. When I started I was happy when I saw another GLA user, since they were far in between.
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TL;DR - players and their weapons change all the time, stop nerfing, start buffing the lower tiers if you want to see a increased variety on the battlefield. A slight speed increase on all weapons wouldnt be to bad either, but we all know that's never gonna happen. Annoyed by hiltslashes? Try to do the same yourself, see how "easy" it is with a 91 speed weapon, and learn to spot it.
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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #121 on: March 06, 2012, 01:49:27 pm »
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i would use a spamberge, but i only got 15 str.
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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #122 on: March 06, 2012, 02:14:24 pm »
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Heavy lance damage on foot, the hell?

when your dehorsed you got to do what you got to do

anyway wanted to ask are those statistics include damage done to horses ? or only players ?

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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #123 on: March 06, 2012, 03:06:15 pm »
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Could you pls post the stats of the EU-Siege-Server CMP.
I guess one of the Top-2h will be Great Maul there... perhaps even Number 1 on Siege.

Would love to see difference Siege / Battle.

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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #124 on: March 06, 2012, 03:12:57 pm »
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Danish tops siege too with twice as much damage done as the 2nd two-hander.

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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #125 on: March 06, 2012, 04:16:01 pm »
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Thomek dissappeared like a ninja? :wink: I would suggest you making a non ninja polearmer alt, with Tor's build and tips. Then buying a gla and trying to hiltslash it. I think it is not that easy because I see only one man really pulling it off.

Hehe I used GLA too, when I threw that crappy ass bec away. There wasn't too many using it at the time but after some months those axes started to be everywhere. I blame tor- fanboys. I'm happy I traded to that smaller axe though. It is not nearly as used and I still don't see loomed ones too often ingame...

And for the record, I don't hiltslash. Simply because I can't and cba to learn it. Lol and I'm not even the one who is mad about the subject :D.
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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #126 on: March 06, 2012, 04:33:58 pm »
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NA wise, GLA is just another pole arm you see occasionally. We like pole-axes and war spears WAY more. Nothing wrong with it, it's soooo short, who cares?
This last month all the poleaxe fotm stopped, but a few months ago the top pole listed would have been the poleaxe. A great weapon...
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Heavy Lance (mounted)              3,965,363  31.22%
Long Spear                         880,724    6.93%
Pike                               632,020    4.98%
War Spear                          503,263    3.96%
Bec de Corbin                      479,231    3.77%
Awlpike                            427,092    3.36%
Long Hafted Blade                  392,029    3.09%
Elegant Poleaxe                    320,802    2.53%
Lance (mounted)                    315,671    2.49%
Glaive                             307,439    2.42%
Bamboo Spear                       288,330    2.27%
Heavy Lance                        285,426    2.25%
Swiss Halberd                      284,794    2.24%
Great Long Axe                     268,703    2.12% 
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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #127 on: March 06, 2012, 04:34:17 pm »
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Thomek dissappeared like a ninja? :wink: I would suggest you making a non ninja polearmer alt, with Tor's build and tips. Then buying a gla and trying to hiltslash it. I think it is not that easy because I see only one man really pulling it off.

Hehe I used GLA too, when I threw that crappy ass bec away. There wasn't too many using it at the time but after some months those axes started to be everywhere. I blame tor- fanboys. I'm happy I traded to that smaller axe though. It is not nearly as used and I still don't see loomed ones too often ingame...

And for the record, I don't hiltslash. Simply because I can't and cba to learn it. Lol and I'm not even the one who is mad about the subject :D.
I think it's the most easiest thing ever.

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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #128 on: March 06, 2012, 04:44:09 pm »
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I think it's the most easiest thing ever.
Nevertheless its not really my style...
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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #129 on: March 06, 2012, 05:06:25 pm »
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Sorry to interrupt your fun, guys, but... I've heard the word "hiltslash" many, many times before, but.... Could someone info me what it tchenically is?  :oops:

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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #130 on: March 06, 2012, 05:11:29 pm »
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It's something that 90% of players claim to be able to do but which only about 2.56% actually can.
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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #131 on: March 06, 2012, 05:17:44 pm »
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It's something that 90% of players claim to be able to do but which only about 2.56% actually can.

Exactly. The right slash is excellent for hiltslashing though, true. But the left slash has super bitchy sweetspots which compensates.
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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #132 on: March 06, 2012, 05:29:46 pm »
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Hiltslashing is basically ye old "Turning into the swing" so your animation hits sooner, making you able to hit faster.

Some people have learned to do this perfectly at the sweetest of sweetspots, so they won't glance.

At least that's my understanding of it..
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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #133 on: March 06, 2012, 05:42:45 pm »
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Hiltslashing is basically ye old "Turning into the swing" so your animation hits sooner, making you able to hit faster.

Some people have learned to do this perfectly at the sweetest of sweetspots, so they won't glance.

At least that's my understanding of it..
Isn't it more like: move forward and the direction you are hitting, looking a bit downwards to the ground and slashing while you pass your opponent from really close range? The swing hits perfectly and doesn't glance but your opponent might be thinking it is going to glance or that he is going to hit first. The mouse movement isn't that big of a deal, but the combination of all these things.

Moving your mouse with your hit isn't hiltslashing in my opinion. It is simply "screen manipulation" or something and I don't see why that is being bitched about.

EDIT: I might be completely wrong here but that is what I picture when someone says the word hiltslashing.
EDIT2: Also good hiltslashers are able to "hide" the animations pretty well when they change the attack direction from left to right or right to left.

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Re: 2 weapons dominate 2h/pole.
« Reply #134 on: March 06, 2012, 05:58:21 pm »
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Do the 1h solution. Short weapons deal high damage. Long ones are slower and deal basic damage (about longsword damage) and reduce the pierce to 20, there is no way in hell someone can thrust a weapon that long and do lots of damage. The stance is horrible, no hips supporting the attack.
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