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Re: Enough is Enough... Nerf The Bec De Corbin or Buff the Danish Greatsword
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2012, 08:40:09 am »
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Hello my friend. You have been looking at the numbers. Unfortunately you can't compare 2hander and polearm numbers. The biggest difference is with length: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,25086.0.html
This proves that when comparing polearms with 2handers or 1handers, you can roughly subtract 25-30 in length from the polearm length stats to get the effective length. So the Bec De Corbin in reality has 90-95 length. That's pretty short. When it comes to speed the differences aren't that big, the Bec is actually slightly faster. However the Bec is shorter than a simple one handed sword, and is of course slower than it.

Then comes the polearm animations. They are a lot slower than one hand and 2hand ones. To have any speed with a polearm you either have to get a very long weapon (glaive) or a uber fast and light one (quarter staff), or a mix of light and long (long hafted blade). However, the bec is none of those things.

When it comes to damage, the Danish deals more damage on average. I tested the melee weapon damage calculator with 15 STR, 5 PS, 150 wpf, enemy 40 armor (which is average of people on cRPG I'd say) and the Danish had average 27,5 while the Bec had 27 on average. I call that pretty equal.

So this is why you don't see hordes of people with Bec De Corbin in game owning ass, but you do see hordes of people using Danish owning ass. I have tried a lot of weapons and playstyles, and in my opinion the best polearm/2handed weapon out there is actually the Danish Greatsword. It's only drawback is it's cost, but sell one loompoint and you can has it forever :)

I would also like to add at the end that the best tankkiller is the morningstar. 38 piercing damage and bonus against shield makes it extremely good vs shields and can cut through armor pretty well. It's speed is about the same as the Bec, but the length is unfortunately 10 shorter. 

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Re: Enough is Enough... Nerf The Bec De Corbin or Buff the Danish Greatsword
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2012, 09:40:15 am »
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First off, there is no way in hell the bec has a range of less than 100, I use a longsword which has a length of 106 and the bec definitely outranges it.  I know from experience

Second, 40 armor isnt plate (especially when its loomed). The Danish may do more damage on players wearing non loomed chainmail, but get back to me on characters wearing loomed plate.  Big Difference, especially for 2/3 the price.  It's faster, too.

Third, nobody in their right mind would consider the Danish the best 2 handed weapon.  You could do 100 polls and it would never win.  I see far more successful players using the bec than the danish.  You could do a 100 polls on which polearm is best and I'm personally guaranteeing you that the bec would win the majority of those handedly.

Fourth,  the speed issue and short length make the morningstar quite inferior to the bec.  The morningstar may do slightly more damage but its advantage is far outweighed by the lack of range and speed it misses on the bec.

Go look how many Masterwork Danish Greatswords are being offered on the market and get back to me.  At least 6 of them are from different users.  I got tired of checking the owners after I counted that high.

People want to get rid of their Danish's because they are pretty much obsolete and not worth the costs.



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Re: Enough is Enough... Nerf The Bec De Corbin or Buff the Danish Greatsword
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2012, 09:46:28 am »
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How about we nerv everything untill all the weapons and armour are exactly the same! Sounds bad good right?

Lower the price of the sword. Problem solved.

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Re: Enough is Enough... Nerf The Bec De Corbin or Buff the Danish Greatsword
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2012, 09:51:55 am »
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First off, there is no way in hell the bec has a range of less than 100, I use a longsword which has a length of 106 and the bec definitely outranges it.  I know from experience
1. You fail at timing your attacks, if you get outranged like that.

Second, 40 armor isnt plate (especially when its loomed). The Danish may do more damage on players wearing non loomed chainmail, but get back to me on characters wearing loomed plate.  Big Difference, especially for 2/3 the price.  It's faster, too.
2. Okay.
Third, nobody in their right mind would consider the Danish the best 2 handed weapon.  You could do 100 polls and it would never win.  I see far more successful players using the bec than the danish.  You could do a 100 polls on which polearm is best and I'm personally guaranteeing you that the bec would win the majority of those handedly.
3. Wow, really? Must be a NA problem, every other hurr-durr-i-swing-big-weapon guy over here uses the Danish and the German, despite their price. Also, LHB and GLA are far more popular polearms.
Fourth,  the speed issue and short length make the morningstar quite inferior to the bec.  The morningstar may do slightly more damage but its advantage is far outweighed by the lack of range and speed it misses on the bec.
4. Morningstar has 2h animations and great weight, which give it its own advantages.
Go look how many Masterwork Danish Greatswords are being offered on the market and get back to me.  At least 6 of them are from different users.  I got tired of checking the owners after I counted that high.

People want to get rid of their Danish's because they are pretty much obsolete and not worth the costs.
5. Or perhaps that is because so many people use them and there is demand for them, whilst some people maybe, just maybe, get tired of playing the same way as everyone else and want to try something different? Really, using the market as an argument for anything is retarded.

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Re: Enough is Enough... Nerf The Bec De Corbin or Buff the Danish Greatsword
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2012, 09:56:24 am »
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With secondary mode your stab with Danish-German swords become godlike. IRL your swings will don't bother anyone in plate armor. It's all about thrust.

Two handed Warhammer was ideal weapon for medium-heavy armored target. I don't know why dev's put this weapon in polearm class and call it Bec de Corbin.

And stats of polearm warhammer in native is:
Weight - 3,5
Reach - 138
Speed - 84
Swing - 38 blunt
Thrust - 38 pierce
knockdown


And you can't compare reach of this weapons. Just do not make builds like 36\3

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Long hafted spiked Mace is better than Bec
« Last Edit: February 28, 2012, 10:46:14 am by Cup1d »

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Re: Enough is Enough... Nerf The Bec De Corbin or Buff the Danish Greatsword
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2012, 10:39:15 am »
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+3 Morning star??? Way more brute killing power, and it can jelly fish.
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Re: Enough is Enough... Nerf The Bec De Corbin or Buff the Danish Greatsword
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2012, 10:44:30 am »
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Re: Enough is Enough... Nerf The Bec De Corbin or Buff the Danish Greatsword
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2012, 10:47:01 am »
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Silly thread.

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Re: Enough is Enough... Nerf The Bec De Corbin or Buff the Danish Greatsword
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2012, 10:52:59 am »
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Gotta say, the bec is quite popular on NA, dunno how bad its for you guys across the pond.
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Re: Enough is Enough... Nerf The Bec De Corbin or Buff the Danish Greatsword
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2012, 10:58:54 am »
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Bec on EU servers? Maybe one guy on the whole server has it. These days Bec is very rare on EU servers.

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Re: Enough is Enough... Nerf The Bec De Corbin or Buff the Danish Greatsword
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2012, 11:15:35 am »
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Re: Enough is Enough... Nerf The Bec De Corbin or Buff the Danish Greatsword
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2012, 11:15:47 am »
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Re: Enough is Enough... Nerf The Bec De Corbin or Buff the Danish Greatsword
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2012, 11:17:13 am »
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Really, using the market as an argument for anything is retarded.

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Re: Enough is Enough... Nerf The Bec De Corbin or Buff the Danish Greatsword
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2012, 11:36:40 am »
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Where are all the trades looking for the superior Bec de Corbin? German, bastard sword, barmace, claymore, armor, no Bec de Corbin though.
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