Anyone tried 0wm with 1hander?

[ponyboy]

So the build I'm aiming for right now has 0wm, leaving me with 111wpf in 1hand and 6 power strike with a MW italian sword.

Im going for:

18/21
6if
6ps
4shield
7ath
111wpf 1hand

Heres the post discussing builds:
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,25377.0.html

But here I'm just wondering if anyone has actually tried a shielder build with just 111wpf in 1hand?  Is this too slow to be worth it, or is it feasible?  It seems fairly slow right now at 105wpf at lvl 27, but that might just be that im transitioning from a military pick to an italian sword. But lewp's testing suggests its only like 2% difference in speed, but has anyone tried this?

[Zerran]

My last gen I used a 1H as a sidearm for my pike. Only had 50 wpf and I could outspam people who had poor footwork easily. WPF does very very little to speed. tbh I think most of it is just mental, you put in wpf and think you're going to be faster so it seems faster, despite it only being a 3-6% difference.

[Corwin]

I don't know why, but I must give advice - don't put 6 to IF, put 6 to shield. There is a noticeable difference between 4 and 6 shield.

[ponyboy]

I normally would agree regarding the shield, but currently I have a masterpiece white heavy norman shield, which with 4 shield skill almost never seems to break. That thing is a beast.

So assuming the speed difference is mostly in the head, why am I performing not so well with 6ps and a mw italian, and was doing much better when I had my mw military pick just yesterday (I just traded)?  Any tips for using this weap I might not know?  Obviously in general its less effective against tin cans, but outside of that (unless you have a tip for making an italian work against tincans too).

[Malaclypse]

With 6 PS you'll have more success with a Pierce or Blunt weapon. I never used 1hand proficiency with my Iberian Mace when I was using it as a sidearm as an Arbalest user, and had no issues there for speed. In general I don't like using any 1hand with a shield regardless of proficiency invested, but I imagine 111 is plenty as long as you're not wearing extremely heavy armor to reduce it. Also, why have 21 Agility if no Agility based skill is at 7?

[Stabby_Dave]

Yea go 21/18 and switch 1 IF point to PS. With a 21/15 build last gen I had no problem damaging most people and only really bounced off heavy strength tin cans and even then it didnt happen often. That said, I did use a MW Arabian Cav Sword which is pretty high damage.

With a 0wpf build dont try to spam or feint too much. Youre much better off using holds and footwork.

[Mlekce]

dude i have now 124 points and i am lvl 22,and i have balanced scimitar. I suck so hard. other ppl with non loomed items outspam me. Not to mention agi whores,and big wpf 2h,polearms,and other scum. Everyone have lots,and lots of wpf. You need to get more or evryone will be second faster then ur weapon.
You can maybie compensate it with more then 6 athl but below that you are going to be spammed all time.

[rustyspoon]

I have 0 WM this gen and it's great. I can still outspam people with my MW Italian all day long.

[ponyboy]

I meant 7 athletics.  Generally my stance has been that you need at least 7ps to do well with a cut damage 1hander aside from a military cleaver or axe, but I have seen several players be very successful with 6ps and italian swords, so it is doable.

[Uumdi]

24/15 is a monstrous shield build too, if you're gonna be in the front lines.  Not AS much room for solo heroics as the agi shielder builds, but with a MW Italian you'll wreck with 8 PS.

Comes out to 6 IF / 8 PS / 4 shield / 5 athletics still i do believe.

[Vodner]

24/15 is a monstrous shield build too, if you're gonna be in the front lines.  Not AS much room for solo heroics as the agi shielder builds, but with a MW Italian you'll wreck with 8 PS.

Comes out to 6 IF / 8 PS / 4 shield / 5 athletics still i do believe.

24/15 might be a better build for large battle servers, simply because you don't have room to maximize your speed bonus in tight-quarters group combat (you'll get in the way of teammates, and expose yourself to enemy attacks).

Unless you use a cleaver / ACS, cut swings from a stationary position on one-handers don't hit that hard with 6 PS.

18/21 shines when you have relatively few enemies (you can get behind them and stun/kill them while they're engaged with teammates), or in loosely-knit fights (where you can dash from fight to fight, helping teammates double-team enemies as needed).

dude i have now 124 points and i am lvl 22,and i have balanced scimitar. I suck so hard. other ppl with non loomed items outspam me. Not to mention agi whores,and big wpf 2h,polearms,and other scum. Everyone have lots,and lots of wpf. You need to get more or evryone will be second faster then ur weapon.
You can maybie compensate it with more then 6 athl but below that you are going to be spammed all time.

You can stop yourself from getting double-swung with 1 WPF, let alone the 111 you get for free at level 30. That's mostly a footwork issue.

[Slots]

I spent my entire last gen as a 0 WM 1hander. As long as your foot work is good you should not have problems with killing people. You will have the occasional glance with only 6 PS but as long as you get your speed bonus it wont be too bad unless its fully heirloomed plate. You have to use your feet more in order to get the speed bonus instead of the small portion from having more WPF.

Granted, this is all my own experience so it can be disregarded as crap. You will be glancing, that is a given. And as Vodner said its mostly a footwork issue.

[Xant]

dude i have now 124 points and i am lvl 22,and i have balanced scimitar. I suck so hard. other ppl with non loomed items outspam me. Not to mention agi whores,and big wpf 2h,polearms,and other scum. Everyone have lots,and lots of wpf. You need to get more or evryone will be second faster then ur weapon.
You can maybie compensate it with more then 6 athl but below that you are going to be spammed all time.

Yeah, it's not the wpf's fault that you "suck so hard." Absolutely no one can outspam you when you have 124 wpf and a scimitar. Unless you fail at footwork.

[Stabby_Dave]

dude i have now 124 points and i am lvl 22,and i have balanced scimitar. I suck so hard. other ppl with non loomed items outspam me. Not to mention agi whores,and big wpf 2h,polearms,and other scum. Everyone have lots,and lots of wpf. You need to get more or evryone will be second faster then ur weapon.
You can maybie compensate it with more then 6 athl but below that you are going to be spammed all time.

Yea as xant and saul said, footwork. A simple thing to remember to help is with a left to right swing, strafe right and with a right to left swing, strafe left. There's a lot more to it than that but its a good start.

Also, I suspect it may be your timing that is off since even without good footwork, a scimitar should nearly always be able to attack back against most builds. Make sure that as soon as you hear the block sound you launch your attack otherwise people will spam you very very easily.

[Oggrinsky]

I used to be a firm believer in WM. After playing ranged gen after ranged gen though I've learned to get by on 100 or less melee wpf.
 You really don't need more, especially with one handers. I'm going for this build currently:

    Strength: 21
    Agility: 18
    Hit points: 66

    Skills to attributes: 8

    Ironflesh: 5
    Power Strike: 7
    Shield: 5
    Athletics: 6
    Riding: 0
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 0

    One Handed: 100
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 1
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 55
    Throwing: 1

High Athletics for footwork abuse.
High PS with a MW 1h to chew through tin cans.
Enough wpf in 1h to not glance and just enough xbow wpf to mess around.
More than enough hit points, plus you have a shield (free blocks).