Dagger and Long Dagger

[Casimir]

Flamberge V Dagger

[Konrax]

Just throw the dagger at the flamberg wielding punk.

Unless they are in plate I guess, but it would hardly be a fair fight, peasant with dagger vs knight with a flamberg =p

[Malaclypse]

I think the Long Dagger and Dagger are pretty well balanced niche weapons. You can't block with them, but you can still chamberblock like any other weapon, and it's also very fast and easy to unleash multiple attacks with on unaware or overwhelmed enemies. I think only being able to chamberblock with these is fine, with a buuuuut

buuuut they could use a little more damage imo do to their lack of regular blocking abilities.

[Penguin]

Give them blocking, but make it so that heavy weapons have the chance of crushthrough on them (dependent on the opponent's strength/ps in correlation with yours) I can't imagine someone blocking a lance thrust from a 30 mph horse with a small dagger.

[Cyclopsided]

Give them blocking, but make it so that heavy weapons have the chance of crushthrough on them (dependent on the opponent's strength/ps in correlation with yours) I can't imagine someone blocking a lance thrust from a 30 mph horse with a small dagger.

eh, I already do with my dagger.

just give daggers more pierce, not blocking imo

[Spawny]

Give them blocking, but make it so that heavy weapons have the chance of crushthrough on them (dependent on the opponent's strength/ps in correlation with yours) I can't imagine someone blocking a lance thrust from a 30 mph horse with a small dagger.

Blocking lances is the easiest thing to do with a dagger. Just chamber it.

Chambering with a dagger isn't that hard, chambering someone who expects you to chamber is quite hard though. 1 held attack and you're very much dead.

I'd say, keep the dagger unable to block (chambering is enough) but increase the pierce damage to a value which would hurt even guys in plate. Decrease the swing damage accordingly, so that swings only stagger, but don't hurt and and stabs hurt a lot.

[karasu]

It's really easy to chamber with long dagger due to it's high speed value.

speed rating: 113
thrust damage: 28 pierce
swing damage: 26 cut
slots: 0

Also, looks > else.

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[Tore]

Daggers should 1 hit kill everything at backstab, like in Mercenaries mod.

[ArchonAlarion]

Flamberge V Dagger

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[Cup1d]

Almost all infantry soldiers IRL have some sort of daggers as backup weapon. Your main weapon can be broken, you can be wounded, therefore cant use both your hand with polearm weapon, in some crowd situation you even cant raise your hand, so dagger is only way to defend yourself.

And you definitely CAN block with cinquedea, or flamed dagger, or other daggers with blade length 40+, solid guard and 0.5+ weight.

About our daggers weight - sorry, mine Leatherman multitool weigh more than ingame dagger. And this is just silly.

[Casimir]

I'd love to see you block a sideswing from a great maul with your cinquendea or  flamed dagger...

Come on this is realism discussion mate!

[Tomas_of_Miles]

Kind of off-topic... but lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVngZM_MU4M&feature=related

[Cup1d]

I'd love to see you block a sideswing from a great maul with your cinquendea or  flamed dagger...

Come on this is realism discussion mate!

Hmm, do you really beleive that such thingy as great maul with 9 kg weight exist?
If you insist that this is realism discussion mate.

[Dezilagel]

I always carry a Long Dagger with me, with a shield though. It's great for slicing up archers who wait for you to switch to your 2h and shotgun, doesn't weigh anything, looks good and its damage and speed ensures they don't get away.

Main problem I have with making it able to block is that people would just use it for the same reason they use the scims and that black 1h mace; it's so small it's really hard to see.

[BlindGuy]

Dagger and long dagger are boss, they can block, they have high dmg and speed, ONLY drawback is Holds can dick you as you close, and you have to live in enemies pocket untill he gives up the ghost.

Knife is also nice, and looks like a dirk.