Great Lance and Pike

[Malaclypse]

Give Great Lance the ability to block and attack on foot, or remove those abilities from Pike. It's shorter and slower, and it can't even block, while the Pike can because... I'm not sure. I'm not strongly for either position, but would suggest one or the other is done.

[Zerran]

Don't touch mah pike god damnit!!!

As to the GL, I don't think this is possible. afaik it can either attack both while mounted AND while on foot, or neither. I don't think it's possible to do either/or.

Also why should the pike be nerfed because of the GL? That's like saying I want athletics to give me the ability to run as fast as a horse because otherwise cav are OP. It's a weapon to be used on a mount, not a footman's weapon. It's 2 slot for a reason. Pike is 3 slot and CANNOT BE USED WHILE MOUNTED.

The GL needs to be changed, it's a broken weapon. But nerfing a completely unrelated weapon is not the way to fix it.

[Malaclypse]

I don't like the random decision that Great Lance edit:*EXCLUSIVELY* be a mounted weapon. I used to use it all the time on foot in Native, and I miss being able to; was just using the Pike as a comparison, and the absurdity of removing Pike's both attack/block on foot.

[Brrrak]

Fuck everyone who's mad at pikes and long spears, damn, wtf.

[Zerran]

I don't like the random decision that Great Lance edit:*EXCLUSIVELY* be a mounted weapon. I used to use it all the time on foot in Native, and I miss being able to; was just using the Pike as a comparison, and the absurdity of removing Pike's both attack/block on foot.

Sorry, it's just that a large portion of the community seriously believes the pike needs to have it's ability to block removed. So to a lot of people, (whom I firmly believe have never so much as touched a pike) it's not an absurd suggestion.   

EDIT: I do agree with you that the GL needs to be changed, and IF it's possible, giving it the ability to be used on foot would be a good addition to it. I just don't think it's possible.

[Digu213]

Stop all this nerfing of stuff.. Begin buffing more, more deadly more equality between different weapons. My point of view...

[dodnet]

Using the Great Lance on foot is just stupid. You wont be able to do anything with that heavy slow beast of wood.

[Malaclypse]

Using the Great Lance on foot is just stupid. You wont be able to do anything with that heavy slow beast of wood.

It's only 3 speed less than Pike, with like 280 reach (20 less than pike) when used with a shield, and like 11 more damage, while only being 11 difficulty. 12/27 hoplite madness!?

[Zerran]

It's only 3 speed less than Pike, with like 280 reach (20 less than pike) when used with a shield, and like 11 more damage, while only being 11 difficulty. 12/27 hoplite madness!?

Well not quite. It's 3 speed less and 11 damage higher only when used with 2 hands. With a shield it drops down quite a lot in both damage and speed. (about 30% in both if i remember correctly)

[dodnet]

It's only 3 speed less than Pike, with like 280 reach (20 less than pike) when used with a shield, and like 11 more damage, while only being 11 difficulty. 12/27 hoplite madness!?

It's funny how these arguments always turn around 2 or 3 stats, leaving the rest completely out. The GL is 2 more weight, costs less and if you look at the model you will see that it's completely useless on foot. You cant even hold it right on foot! And for realism: I don't think that anyone would even try to use that shit on foot because its useless like a wooden trunk in battle.

[Spawny]

I think they did it wrong in native and fixed it in cRPG.

Why for the love of god would you be able to thrust with a great lance? It's a jousting lance!

How are you going to use a jousting lance on foot?

It's current use makes perfect sense imo, the reason it's broken lies in other weapons, not the stats/useage of the great lance.

[ArchonAlarion]

As to the GL, I don't think this is possible. afaik it can either attack both while mounted AND while on foot, or neither. I don't think it's possible to do either/or.

It is possible. There is a mounted lance stab and dismounted lance stab.

[Spa_geh_tea]

If anything, GL needs a range increase or all the other lances need a range decrease. So that the GL out-ranges or is on par with the poke poke cav. Cause its really obnoxious that someone with a lance can strike before the GL hits. Couching is a lot harder to accomplish against enemy cav riding head on then poking ( you can turn your pokes through-out the motion).

[Garem]

If anything, GL needs a range increase or all the other lances need a range decrease. So that the GL out-ranges or is on par with the poke poke cav. Cause its really obnoxious that someone with a lance can strike before the GL hits. Couching is a lot harder to accomplish against enemy cav riding head on then poking ( you can turn your pokes through-out the motion).

While I don't mind much either way, I do have to point out that you can ALSO turn couch directions while moving. Couching is superior to thrusting in regards to aim- it's a CONSTANT thrust so timing doesn't matter so long as its within the "hold" duration of several seconds, but at a shorter range. Your case has merits, but this argument does not.

[isatis]

User: Give Great Lance the ability to block and attack on foot, or remove those abilities from Pike. It's shorter and slower, and it can't even block, while the Pike can because... I'm not sure. I'm not strongly for either position, but would suggest one or the other is done.

Cleverbot: Just keep putting one foot in front of the other, and soon you'll be walking out the door.

eurgh... sorry, cleverbot no approve...

Isatis approve still!

(givin GL block+attack on foot not nerfin pike)