Archery 2h hybrid build advice.

[Penitent]

What do you guys think of this.  Is the wpf ok?  Does anyone try builds like this any more?  I'm fine with using a 1-slot bow and 1 stack of arrows.  I've got a MW horn bow and MW Great Sword.  Let me know what you think!

lv30
    * Strength: 15
    * Agility: 21
    * Hit points: 60

    * Skills to attributes: 2

    * Ironflesh: 5
    * Power Strike: 5
    * Shield: 0
    * Athletics: 7
    * Riding: 0
    * Horse Archery: 0
    * Power Draw: 5
    * Power Throw: 0
    * Weapon Master: 7

    * Two Handed: 120
    * Archery: 130
 

[Cup1d]

15\21 is fine for hybrid. But I think you must tweak you wpf distribution.

Something like 150 archery \ 100 2H.
And think about faster 2H weapon. Longsword, two handed sword, katana.

[Jarlek]

130 archery wpf is fine. I'm also an archer hybrid (but 1h, not 2h) and I got 100 1h wpf and 130 archery wpf. I also got 6 PD (more than you and PD lowers wpf) and I can use blue tunic over mail, blue kettle helmet, mail gloves and Rus cavalry boots and still be more than accurate enough. You wont do the really, really long shots, but the difference between the accuracy of my "heavy" archer an my "normal" archer alt, is so small it's negligible.

[Cup1d]

If you prefer slow and inaccurate short distance shooting - you can try Jarlek build.

Doubt that with 40-45 effective wpf in archery you can aim. And you'll have epic repair bills with this wpf.

[Penitent]

I can consider tweaking wpf.  Do you guys think 5 pd is appropriate? 

In terms of melee...5 PS for melee is pushing it for me, which is why I wasn't sure about taking a faster, but less damaging weapon.  Think 5 PS is ok for longsword/katana?

[Cup1d]

Anyway 5 PD is minimum for hornbow. If you have loomed hornbow you'll make enough damage with bodkins. Do not expect to kill army of tincans though. Your main hook is accurate shots from medium distance. You can find Adawulf at EU-2. He has 15\21 build (but he put all 163 wpf in achery)

About melee... If you prefer to catch enemy with Great sword thrust attack - use great sword. If your fighting style include overheads and  sideswings - i think that any of this fast weapons will be good. Difference between 5 and 6ps - 2-3 points of damage.

P.S. Bec is better for this build.

[Tennenoth]

Otherwise you'll want to look at 6PD, so 18/21.

You'll want to hit for the longbow which will in turn decrease your wpf in melee to 55 and have your archery at 159 at level 30. That's the build I had until I stopped retiring and hit 33 (18/24, 95, 160)

Get yourself a nice fast 1/2 hander and you should be easily fast enough to attack back, although you'll probably find that weapons like loomed Katana's and some of those ridiculously fast 1 handers/polearms will eat you up.

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Strength: 18
Agility: 21

Power Strike: 3
Power Draw: 6
Athletics: 7
Weapon Master: 7

1/2 Handed: 50
Archery: 159

[Jarlek]

If you prefer slow and inaccurate short distance shooting - you can try Jarlek build.

Doubt that with 40-45 effective wpf in archery you can aim. And you'll have epic repair bills with this wpf.

Wrong. I'm not saying I'm just as fast as people with 150 wpf and cloth armour, but I'm still not "slow" compared to them. Most of the archers I shoot against are maybe just 110% the speed that I have. Not very big at all. Same with the accuracy. The difference is so small you really don't need it. Better to get that armour and melee wpf. My distance is also pretty good. I can't do the LONG shots, but medium works perfectly fine. Just to know what distance I'm talking about: In the map Ruins I can stand in the village spawn and shoot at people in the middle "arch" gate thingie, and still be accurate enough. Almost the same hit chance as on my full archer alt.

[Cup1d]

Ok Jarlek, let's make some experiment about your build precision. Since my main build (6PD 163 wpf) have almost same precision as proposed build (5PD 150 wpf) let's see what you can get.

Map - Ruin
Distance - as you suggested, village spawn - wall with arc.
Non-moving reticule (just aim your first shot and then do not touch mouse and WASD buttons)
 
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This is MW hornbow spread. 34 arrows.
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Your move.

[Jarlek]

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Ok Jarlek, let's make some experiment about your build precision. Since my main build (6PD 163 wpf) have almost same precision as proposed build (5PD 150 wpf) let's see what you can get.

Map - Ruin
Distance - as you suggested, village spawn - wall with arc.
Non-moving reticule (just aim your first shot and then do not touch mouse and WASD buttons)
 
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This is MW hornbow spread. 34 arrows.
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Your move.

Sure. Give me some time. I don't have a MW bow, btw. Mind if I do it with a normal Rus Bow? We could also meet up so I could borrow your bow.

[Thomek]

wow.. Archers have a way with theorycrafting..

My I ask what is the optimum Archer build these days for an STF without looms? I'm thinking about what you think is a good compromise with a heavy emphasis on Archery. IDK but something along the lines of a Standard Archer, for someone like me who knows melee, not a specialized headshot machine, hybrid or max PD archer. Does wep looms and level make a huge impact for Archers? Much more so than other classes?

It doesn't have to be an extreme running archer, but should be barely able to choose fights and run from massed tincans/dodge cav etc. Thinking perhaps 50-70 wpf in 2h mace or a 1h.

Just asking since I'm not up to speed on the last ranged changes.

[PanPan]

Otherwise you'll want to look at 6PD, so 18/21.

You'll want to hit for the longbow which will in turn decrease your wpf in melee to 55 and have your archery at 159 at level 30. That's the build I had until I stopped retiring and hit 33 (18/24, 95, 160)

Get yourself a nice fast 1/2 hander and you should be easily fast enough to attack back, although you'll probably find that weapons like loomed Katana's and some of those ridiculously fast 1 handers/polearms will eat you up.

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Strength: 18
Agility: 21

Power Strike: 3
Power Draw: 6
Athletics: 7
Weapon Master: 7

1/2 Handed: 50
Archery: 159

The most Basic build for an Archer.

[Thomek]

Cool thanks!

It still is, after patch? Nothing changed?

[_Tak_]

Ok Jarlek, let's make some experiment about your build precision. Since my main build (6PD 163 wpf) have almost same precision as proposed build (5PD 150 wpf) let's see what you can get.

Map - Ruin
Distance - as you suggested, village spawn - wall with arc.
Non-moving reticule (just aim your first shot and then do not touch mouse and WASD buttons)
 
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Your move.

What mod is this for the HP thingy? Please gimme link please

[Cup1d]

What mod is this for the HP thingy? Please gimme link please

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,23460.0.html