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[Adamar]

You know what? Teamplay, couver your own foot archers, keep them alive longer, so they can shoot the enemy horses(we usualy try to as much as possible). If you can't acomplish this is because your side is loosing the melee and you're lost either way. Personaly Im against nerfing HA because its really hard to be an efficient one as it is.

[Kafein]

Nope, it's just you being melee supremacists. We don't mind, but we also don't care much.

I actually don't see any problem about this from my point of view. But I do think round ends with HA vs melee tend to be onesided. I also think "solving" this would cause much bigger problems, just like with any of the "end round" issues.

[cmp]

Of course they are onesided, but you can't expect the horse archer to roll over and die or start figthing in melee (because... he is a horse archer).

[Kafein]

Of course they are onesided, but you can't expect the horse archer to roll over and die or start figthing in melee (because... he is a horse archer).

We agree on that.


 We could try to make it a little bit better by generally "hybridizing" ranged classes. Encouraging more melee/ranged balanced builds could reduce the amount of kiting and other rage-inducing tactics.

[Kajia]

You know what? Teamplay, couver your own foot archers, keep them alive longer, so they can shoot the enemy horses(we usualy try to as much as possible). If you can't acomplish this is because your side is loosing the melee and you're lost either way. Personaly Im against nerfing HA because its really hard to be an efficient one as it is.

this.

maybe the guys complaining should just protect the archers in their own team, so there would be no reason for whining. ever heard of cooperation/teamwork/you-name-it ?

as a different example, today i brought a long spear with one of my alts, and every time i encounter enemies all my teammates disappear bc they dont care about other individuals - like 'everybody for himself' - and thats just bullshit, why should i bring a long spear for in the first place? it's not exactly the best weapon to use alone against many, but a weapon to help others.
same principle applies to archery - archers help to kill enemies, but they can't work if they aren't protected or there are not enough of them.

now, if there is a single one left, ha or archer, doesn't matter, then it's just the way it is, none to blame imo. it's a battle simulation, deal with it.
don't think with your e-peen, use the brain.

[buba]

People seem to try to balance the game in the 1v1 situation.
While i think the game should be balanced around team play.

HA's are probaly the weakest class their is, for the very high price compared to the upkeep.
Remeber, that a dedicated HA, can only shoot arrows from horseback.
We dont have ath, low HP, no melee and we usely ride on unarmored horses becouse of said upkeep and lack of manoeuvrability with the heavy ones.
Our counter is anyone that can trow or shoot something, with our armor and low hp you dont need PD8 either.

If people decide to run of like a headless chicken, and we pick em off, is that a balance problem?
If a team splits up and a small group finds itself without ranged support, is that a balance problem? etc etc.

I know its not fun to get sniped from a enemy that you can not reach, but thats basicly one of the few features a HA can do.
And like it was said before, our ammo (of crap arrows becouse again... the upkeep) does run out. Not even talking about aware inf that time their dodges to my stringing of the bow.
And oh, the armor, you ever tried to kill someone with tatar arrows or lower while he is wearing higher tier mail/plate?
Basicly 60% of the enemy team is of limits till the end of the round, when evryone is beat up a bit.

So yea, HA's are fucking annoying but thats pretty much what we are.
And yes their are a handfull that actually manage to get a good D/K ratio, but damm, they would rule any class.

 

[Mtemtko]

We agree on that.


 We could try to make it a little bit better by generally "hybridizing" ranged classes. Encouraging more melee/ranged balanced builds could reduce the amount of kiting and other rage-inducing tactics.

Hmh, I as a HA  stay alive and shoot enemy players from horseback until im the last man standing in my team, not a second before (or depends on situation, i can also go on ground if my odds with my teammates against the enemies seem even/I dont have arrows). But when im the last man standing, I always dismount and go melee not caring about how useless I am in melee and how many arrows I have left. (unless im lucky enough to find a bec or a GLA laying around me) I guess every HA should play like this, maybe make a rule? .. Just dont go nerfing a class because of the way it can change the last part of the round -__-, otherwise during the whole round HAs are pretty much useless. ;cav, cav everywhere! fucked up horse head hitboxes and 5-10 arrows per horse dont help at all, even a single lancer can kill a fuckton more enemies and do more damage to a team in a single minute than a HA in the whole match. And its "not" as if cav to ha ratio is atleast 30:1, seeing some 6 active horse archers in the EU servers.

[cmp]

Who said anything about nerfing HAs? Right now it's probably one of the classes that least deserves a nerf...

[Mtemtko]

Who said anything about nerfing HAs? Right now it's probably one of the classes that least deserves a nerf...

Explain that to people that think everything that cant be countered without changing their builds should be removed.
I really do hope their whining wont get to you (as in all devs)

[Adamar]

As an unrelated issue, I've been playing for an hour and I suspect that there's been a rise in teamplay. I've even seen a horseman making suicide charges against the enemy shieldwall, so our arrows could get through

[Gnjus]

As an unrelated issue, I've been playing for an hour and I suspect that there's been a rise in teamplay. I've even seen a horseman making suicide charges against the enemy shieldwall, so our arrows could get through

He was probably suiciding/leeching, most likely had some porn playing in another window so he couldn't be bothered with playing. 

[Adamar]

He was probably suiciding/leeching, most likely had some porn playing in another window so he couldn't be bothered with playing. 

Was that you? Thanks man.

[Ozin]

There is too much killing in this mod. Nerf all weapon damage by 50%.

[Tennenoth]

There is too much killing in this mod. Nerf all weapon damage by 50%.

That would only delay the inevitable.

[Gnjus]

Was that you? Thanks man.

Unfortunately no, i don't do suicide charges into enemy shieldwalls, i usually bump clusterfucks just wiping whatever gets in my way (mostly teammates tho) and there's always at least one aware jumper that gets me.