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Pikes and similar
« on: February 04, 2012, 09:16:54 pm »
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once upon a time you couldn't block with a too long weapon, like pike or long spear or whatever.. couldn't you put this back :/ ?
« Last Edit: February 04, 2012, 11:51:13 pm by Kalam »
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Re: Pikes and similar
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2012, 09:26:59 pm »
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Re: Pikes and similar
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2012, 09:39:23 pm »
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Um... the fuck? This would make these weapons totally useless.
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Re: Pikes and similar
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2012, 09:40:55 pm »
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once upon a time you couldn't block with a too long weapon, like pike or long spear or whatever.. couldn't you put this back :/ ?

Wait... what? They already reduced speed, reduced damage, 3 slots, not sheathable, unbalanced, price high and you guys are still not satisfied.. seriously.. Why don't you suggest taking it out of the game so cav gets even more powerful..

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Re: Pikes and similar
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2012, 10:24:48 pm »
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Agreed.
Taking blocking from longspears/ pikes was an excellent change.

However this would only nerf longspears/pikes vs infantry. Vs cavalry the change wouldn't affect much.

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Re: Pikes and similar
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2012, 10:26:37 pm »
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Wait... what? They already reduced speed, reduced damage, 3 slots, not sheathable, unbalanced, price high and you guys are still not satisfied.. seriously.. Why don't you suggest taking it out of the game so cav gets even more powerful..

well it's quite annoying being ganked from 3 bamboo spears, with overheads or thrusts, every time.. this stuff should be useful only for cav, not for duels :S and bamboo doesn't occupy 3 slots (and imo 3 slots are stupid, it's a support weapon against cav, not a stand alone weapon :S).. it's strange when you block a knife with a 3mt weapon :|
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Re: Pikes and similar
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2012, 10:37:08 pm »
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well it's quite annoying being ganked from 3 bamboo spears

I find it annoying getting ganked by three of anything.
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Re: Pikes and similar
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2012, 10:40:13 pm »
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Nevermind, OP is a retard.
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Re: Pikes and similar
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2012, 10:51:40 pm »
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It would actually make sense to make pikes unable to block, deal much more damage, and crushthrough blocks (couched lance-like). But then a pikeman would have a "death zone" around him, which isn't cool for the gameplay. Pikes are ok atm. Bamboo, awlpike and ash pike might need a slight rethinking, but overall they are in good place.

I find it annoying getting ganked by three of anything.

I find it enjoyable to be "ganked" by 3 shielders, or even 2h in some cases. Fighting 3 cav when you are cav yourself isn't much more difficult than fighting one. However, pikes and ranged always are much more difficult to deal with when they are outnumbering. And cav if you aren't cav yourself and if the terrain is open enough. Although a pointy stick is usually enough to repel them.

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Re: Pikes and similar
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2012, 10:53:17 pm »
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OMG I got the most crazy idea!

Why not just restore their old strenght but remove their blocking ability..?

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Re: Pikes and similar
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2012, 11:11:27 pm »
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Because they did that in the past for one day, until cmpx figured out that he can't use such weapon and reverted the change.

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Re: Pikes and similar
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2012, 11:15:03 pm »
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I find it annoying getting ganked by three of anything.

Well, not all weapons are the same. Twohanders are easiest because many of them won't swing like fools (they are afraid they'll hit their teammates). Shielders are pain the ass to fight against (1 vs 2 or more) but group of pikemen are almost impossible to fight against.

And there's that broken weapon called Awlpike. Fighting one guy using that shit is hard, fighting more than one is impossible.

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Re: Pikes and similar
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2012, 12:20:00 am »
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I think the problem is with jump spin stabs with such long weapons.

Maybe limit how much you can actually turn, or how fast you can turn based on your weapons length.

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Re: Pikes and similar
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2012, 12:48:14 am »
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I think the problem is with jump spin stabs with such long weapons.

Maybe limit how much you can actually turn, or how fast you can turn based on your weapons length.

If they weren't 3 slot this wouldn't be the only way to fight with these weapons.

I love how people complained and complained until they made longspear and pike 3 slot so you have to use it as your main weapon and can't carry a decent alternative weapon to swap to, and then get pissed that people start using the pike and longspear as their main weapon. Just fucking down block and don't spam for crying out loud.  :rolleyes:

well it's quite annoying being ganked from 3 bamboo spears, with overheads or thrusts, every time.. this stuff should be useful only for cav, not for duels :S and bamboo doesn't occupy 3 slots (and imo 3 slots are stupid, it's a support weapon against cav, not a stand alone weapon :S).. it's strange when you block a knife with a 3mt weapon :|

And I find it strange that ONE PERSON can block an infinite number of pikemen as long as they face them and down block. Have you ever tried dueling with these weapons? I'd rather have a danish or LHB any day if I'm dueling someone who isn't a complete noob.

Apologies for the rant, it just amazes me that of all weapons, people complain about these two and completely ignore the fact that cav are still OP enough that the team with the most cav wins 90% of the time.
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Re: Pikes and similar
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2012, 12:49:26 am »
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I got to watch a pike demonstration earlier illustrating the problem with these guys.

Player with Pike, positioned right behind his teammate. He thrusts down and left, swings the pole through his teammates body, then releases through the teammate and kills the enemy.

Glitching in order to be viable as a weapon choice really isn't a good gaming choice.
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