[12:11] <_Osiris_> so you guys gonna go viking and just raid traders and shit now?
[12:13] <@okiN> we'll see
[12:18] <[ptx]> it would be kewl, if landless factions could get some sort of bandit lairs or some such
[12:18] <[ptx]> where they would be able to craft basic shit and such without rent or so
[12:19] <[ptx]> but this would only be so, if the faction has at least X members, to prevent abuse by fake mini-factions
[12:23] <dado> so cyber 570k or 580k ?
[12:24] <Elmokki> instead of bandaid solutions like those bandit lairs make it worth it to let random people do commerence in fiefs
[12:24] <Elmokki> it's only a) plausible in real life terms b) solves the same thing
[12:25] <_Osiris_> well you wouldnt let an entire faction come and trade
[12:25] <Elmokki> well, a landless faction should then probably swap between lands to craft in and/or disband faction while they gear up
[12:26] <[ptx]> well, the bandits ought to have some sort of hideouts as well, otherwise they have to make peace with some faction to be able to do anything with their stuff
[12:26] <Elmokki> honestly though, turning faction tag off could be viable for non-fief owning factions
[12:26] <Elmokki> well, yeah, true
[12:26] <Elmokki> but that shouldn't be the only solution for landless people
[12:26] <[ptx]> not an only solution
[12:26] <[ptx]> but an additional one
[12:26] <_Osiris_> should be able to make bandit camps in the woods
[12:27] <Elmokki> but it needs to be punitive enough to make it worth it to be friendly with someone
[12:27] <[ptx]> say, you are a landless faction with > X members
[12:27] <Elmokki> I mean, if you want to go free for all kill everyone with no allies you should have thing related to trading harder than someone who has some safe haven
[12:28] <Elmokki> then again it might well be worth it for some faction to declare some fief free for all if commerence in your fiefs would be more worth it
[12:28] <[ptx]> you can create a hideout anywhere on the map, which functions like a village, but with some penalties, like less max pop and so, also lower trading prices and such, but can only be spotted by people that arent in your faction, if they are very close to it
[12:28] <Elmokki> bandits would come sell their crap there and the fief would prosper
[12:29] <[ptx]> so, the bandits would profit from having some arrangement with some land owning faction
[12:29] <[ptx]> but if they dont, they can still do at least something
[12:29] <[ptx]> a bare minimum provided by a hideout
[12:29] <_Osiris_> low lvl equip bandits ;P
[12:30] <[ptx]> which can possibly be found by someone and then raided, destroying it and perhaps preventing the faction from creating a new one for some time
[12:30] <[ptx]> or something like that
[12:30] <_Osiris_> well we have it in SP why not mp
[12:30] <[ptx]> yeah, just like in SP
[12:30] <[ptx]> so factions could go on hunting for bandit lairs in their lands
[12:30] <[ptx]> and stuff like that
[12:31] <_Osiris_> would be interesting
