Katana and long sword/bastard(s)

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

God how many times has this thread been made? oh well.

So, Katana vs Long Sword. In reality the 2 pair up quite tightly, but the Katana does have more cutting and thrusting power. And that is against all targets including against plate, don't give me that crap about the Katana not being able to deal with metal armour. The Japanese invented tempered steal and used it for swords and armour
also both swords have been tested against European plate and they both do about the same amount of damage (fuck all).

So, ... buff Katana thrus to 24 and buff long sword thrust to 25. Even though the Katana is a better thrusting weapon.

Also knock 1 point of speed of the katana. The sword itself isn't "fast" its the way its used and given that this engine doesn't in anyway use the Katana as it would/is used it should just have to play with the rest of the sodding swords. It doesn't have some kind of mircle speed because its 1000 times folded tempered steal...

ANYWAY, let us now rant incoherently at each for fun

Realism thread is my favorite!

[Corwin]

Cool story bro.

[Bobthehero]

What a load of bull.

[Tears of Destiny]

At first I was irritated that this thread was posted again, but then I noticed this was the realism forum.

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I think katanas need a speed increase of like, 40 points and stuff, but cost six times as much cuz they are so hard to make. Also, they should all be MW because every true katana is made by a sword master.

[Ninja_Khorin]

I dunno. I once hearedd taht a japanese or somthin swung a akatana so fast it broke the sound barrirer and blew up the village. so it

 pertty fast alright

Then again, in
 interest of game balance. Maybe a 7  -  9 more cut and 1 less pierce could do teh trick


    Chamber arrows too.

                                Good tred.

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

Load of bull my foot, YOUR A LOAD OF BULL!

[Froto_the_Loc]

Weeaboo.

[Zerran]

Longswords generally weighed more, so had more blunt force they could apply to plate. Additionally, they had a thicker, straighter blade which makes thrusting more potent. The katana had 2 advantages over the longsword: speed, and ability to deal actual cutting damage. Longsword was better for thrusting and dealing blunt force trauma. Generally European warriors wore more and heavier armor (such as chain and plate) because iron was much easier to aquire. Japanese smiths only had very small quantities of very impure ore to work with, so it was much more difficult to get useable metal, and so generally less armor was worn. It makes it very hard to compare the two, as they were designed under completely different circumstances.

Also, I assume you refer to the deadliest warrior style tv tests? I've seen those, and neither the leather they use nor the plate is even remotely accurate. Couch leather =/= boiled leather and aluminum foil =/= steel plate armor.

Not a perfect video, but a hell of a lot better than the crap on tv: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avnjDouvuRc He's also got a video demonstrating chain and boiled leather somewhere, but too lazy to look it up right now.

also

Load of bull my foot, YOU'RE A LOAD OF BULL!

fixed that for you   

Realism thread is my favorite!

Completely agree! Realism section is great fun, especially when the newbies post something and actually think it will be taken seriously.

[Getheme]

Which longsword are you talking about? Early medieval type (wielded with 1 hand, while katana uses 2), or the kind that's in the c-rpg, from several centuries later?

The katana (~ 1200-1940) may compare well to a viking era sword (~ 600-1000), but later medieval swords combined the cutting (rather than chopping) functionality of earlier Western swords with serious increases in weight and length and became more and more geared toward effective thrusting.

Having said that, you should be able to use it simultaniously with the wakizachi and kogatana (hidden inside the saya atm) as per irl and at least until someone (with any brains) adds more samurai weapons for simultanious use, I would reccomend a 26-27 pt upgrade in the katana speed of the katana to simulate that there would be more samurai weapons if this was a good mod.

[B3RS3RK]

I dunno. I once hearedd taht a japanese or somthin swung a akatana so fast it broke the sound barrirer and blew up the village. so it

 pertty fast alright

Then again, in
 interest of game balance. Maybe a 7  -  9 more cut and 1 less pierce could do teh trick


    Chamber arrows too.

                                Good tred.

Yeah I once heard someone in japan swung a katana so fast it caused a tsunami and a Nuclear catastrophe.

[Ninja_Khorin]

[kwote author=B3RS3RK link=topic=24724.msg357525#msg357525 date=1327331327]
Yeah I once heard someone in japan swung a katana so fast it caused a tsunami and a Nuclear catastrophe.
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i herdd   taht 2,

[Teeth]

I like this new Khorin

[dodnet]

[kwote author=B3RS3RK link=topic=24724.msg357525#msg357525 date=1327331327]
Yeah I once heard someone in japan swung a katana so fast it caused a tsunami and a Nuclear catastrophe.
[/kwote]

i herdd   taht 2,

Confess! It was YOU!

[SquishMitten]

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God how many times has this thread been made? oh well.

So, Katana vs Long Sword. In reality the 2 pair up quite tightly, but the Katana does have more cutting and thrusting power. And that is against all targets including against plate, don't give me that crap about the Katana not being able to deal with metal armour. The Japanese invented tempered steal and used it for swords and armour
also both swords have been tested against European plate and they both do about the same amount of damage (fuck all).

So, ... buff Katana thrus to 24 and buff long sword thrust to 25. Even though the Katana is a better thrusting weapon.

Also knock 1 point of speed of the katana. The sword itself isn't "fast" its the way its used and given that this engine doesn't in anyway use the Katana as it would/is used it should just have to play with the rest of the sodding swords. It doesn't have some kind of mircle speed because its 1000 times folded tempered steal...

ANYWAY, let us now rant incoherently at each for fun

Realism thread is my favorite!

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Also if you drop a katana you shouldn't be able to pick it up, as it is so sharp it cuts its way through the floor

[Renay]

Also if you drop a katana you shouldn't be able to pick it up, as it is so sharp it cuts its way through the floor

If the katana blocks a swing by another weapon the other weapon should break in half cause the katana is so sharp, also katana should not be blockable