Arrow effectiveness against mail and plate

[Okkam]

To be honest, bodkins at short distance (up to 10-20m) must be as effective as GS sword thrust.

[Glyph]

mail was only well resistant against slashes, not against piercing weapons, scale armors were the best defence against ranged projectiles if you couldn't afford plate armor. though plate was pretty much the best thing to wear against whatever came towards you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3997HZuWjk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNtu6btaG88&feature=related(jsut skip to 2:05, only get interested from there.

[Turkhammer]

turkhammer spewing his retardness all over the forums again nothing to see here.

p.s. bodkins couldnt penetrate plate even at 25 meters shot.from a longbow they mostly bounced off and if.they did punch through they certanly didnt get passed the mail underneath so they.were mostly only a nuisance. they were dangerous only if.hitting through rare gaps in the armor like under the arm, knee etc.

Thanks for the free bump.

[Turkhammer]

Considering he wants arrows to one-shoot mail to the body it wouldn't really help much, would it now. Pikers would be the only ones shot at before infantry clash, and considering the amount of archers this change would've brought that wouldn't be hard at all

Just consider how the server would've been IF this had been active. HAs one-shooting infantry with bumpshot, platers ignoring ranged and spamming down the archers they could reach, all other infantry dying to crossfire by one arrow each. Would be good times.

As I've said before, the numbers of archers would have to be limited on the server so that there wouldn't be armies with 60% archers.  Something reasonable like 10%.

As to the weapons you mentioned, do any of them take 4 slots?  I think the most they take (long spear) is 3 slots.  You have room to carry a shield.

[Turkhammer]

You tell me how I'm supposed to carry a shield with support weapons like Bill, Long Awlpike, Long Spear etc.

You can carry it and decide when to put it in front of you.  That's how I approach archers with my poleaxe.

[SquishMitten]

You tell me how I'm supposed to carry a shield with support weapons like Bill, Long Awlpike, Long Spear etc.

You can carry it and decide when to put it in front of you.  That's how I approach archers with my poleaxe.

Derp derp derp derp
Can't sheath

[Brrrak]

Derp derp derp derp
Can't sheath

What a lame excuse.

Can't sheath.  Like any weapons actually use that tag.

[Teeth]

What a lame excuse.

Can't sheath.  Like any weapons actually use that tag.

What?

Like any weapons actually use that tag. What the hell does that even mean?

[SquishMitten]

What?

Like any weapons actually use that tag. What the hell does that even mean?

either lost in translation, or he is a moron

[Supreme_Leader]

If friendly archers want two-hit kills anyone with a melee weapon should one-hit them.

[Oberyn]

mail was only well resistant against slashes, not against piercing weapons, scale armors were the best defence against ranged projectiles if you couldn't afford plate armor. though plate was pretty much the best thing to wear against whatever came towards you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3997HZuWjk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNtu6btaG88&feature=related(jsut skip to 2:05, only get interested from there.

No you're pretty much completely wrong about mail being worthless against arrows. Again, just read any of the contemporary sources from like 900 to 1400, and see what they had to say about the effectiveness of the armor vs arrows, not to mention the padding underneath that was ALWAYS present. The image of a knight looking like a porcupine yet almost untouched beneath the armor is one that repeats itself over and over. So I'll usually trust those accounts over some random dude shooting at homemade "mail" armor with an airsoft rifle on youtube.

[Xant]

"In a modern test, a direct hit from a steel bodkin point penetrated Damascus chain armour, although at point blank range.[2] However, the test was conducted without a padded jack or gambeson, which was layered cloth armor worn over heavier armor for protection against projectiles, as it was known to stop even heavy arrows. [3] Furthermore, and despite the author's assertion, the penetration ability of the arrow would decline according to the distance it has traveled due to drag. Lastly, a human body standing will give, another factor not accounted for in this experiment."

From your wiki article.

This basically says that arrows won't penetrate a chainmail worn by a human with padded jack/gambeson under it.

[ArchonAlarion]

Although I am completely for realistic arms and armor, you do have to keep in mind that most armors in c-rpg are not made of one material and there are gaps in various places. Unfortunately, the current hitbox system means that these gaps and variations go unaccounted for: the armor rating counts for the whole area. Thus, the armor value needs to be lowered slightly to REALISTICALLY account for the gaps, variations, etc. I am not saying armor should be buffed or nerfed, i'm just saying this needs to be kept in mind.

[Glyph]

No you're pretty much completely wrong about mail being worthless against arrows. Again, just read any of the contemporary sources from like 900 to 1400, and see what they had to say about the effectiveness of the armor vs arrows, not to mention the padding underneath that was ALWAYS present. The image of a knight looking like a porcupine yet almost untouched beneath the armor is one that repeats itself over and over. So I'll usually trust those accounts over some random dude shooting at homemade "mail" armor with an airsoft rifle on youtube.

that might be homemade mail, but he also has modern arrows(no armor piercers) and a 30 pound bow, and in the middleages they just to shoot with nothing less then 140 lbs, the metal nowadays is harder too. the point of mail is that one of those rings along is nothing against any weapon, but all those rings together form a great defence, though if you stab or shoot an arrow at it, you loose the strength of all those rings together because the force isn't devided over all those rings, but is concentrated on a few rings. that's why mail is a very good defence against slashes, but not against thrusts and arrows. the padded coat can take quit a hit, but the mail forms almost no resistance, and a coat like that can't hold a bodkin from a 140 lbs longbow. if it could, the bow would be useless, becasue those coats were cheap and then everyone would have them, which would devestate the damage a longbow could do. and that wasn't the case so in short, no.

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCE40J93m5c&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/user/BarebowBen

Long bows blowing holes in plate and mail. *blows rasberry*