I was using the tilde to watch him coming from behind me in the first 20 seconds of the match. He steered and ran me over slowly. This was not the only time I was team bumped by him.
chadz most important rule of all: Common sense.
Why would i run towards the village, then turn around sharply and bump you? When you turn that sharp to avoid being shot your moving at a very slow speed and inflict minimum if any damage. If i really wanted to hurt you i wouldnt have passed you and then turned and hit you, i would have simply run over you at full speed. If i wanted to do it discretly i would have waited until you were in a crowd and ran you over. I also would add that why would i apologize for something i did to hurt you intentionally, but i wasn't able to finish typing it out before you kicked me in about 2 seconds flat, not to mention i had to put atleast some distance between me and the archer to be safe. ANd you saw that archer firing at me, he shot you in the face seconds after it happened (the logs will show this).
And agai you were right infront of me and my character was looking at the archer away from you so i could not see you, you know that. Also why would i run over you, someone i had no relationship with and did not know? Also everyone on NA1 knows i do not intentionally tw or tk people, i have been playing for a year and have a very good reputation in game, you also know this. And how could i be tking and twing everyone left and righ as you claimed, and still (if i remember correctly) have the best score of any player in the game, tking and twing really hurts your score. Also thanks for kicking the best player (me) from our team, leading to the team getting slaughtered and losing their multiplier because you cant control yourself, but that is somewhat beside the point. There was no reason to believe what i did was an accident and atleast inquire about it like any other admin would. But even then, i cannot remember an admin kicking someone for team bumping, and its been along time sense ive seen an admin tell someone to watch the teambumps.
If you cant use common sense you should not be an admin.
Also in the game and the logs will show this, you claimed i was team killing people and team-wounding in spawn (and somewhat suggested it in another quote in this thread), but in this quote you acknowledged the fact that it was 20 seconds in the game, and obviously we were not in spawn, i could run across the map on my horse in 10-12 seconds let alone 20. And you are an agility build with no armor, you run pretty fast.
When was the other time i team bumped you, did you think it was an accident if it did happen, and how does an accidental team bump affect your decision later on something else that you think was intentional (you kicked me for "intentional team bumping", not supposed recklessness)? If you thought it was intentional why didn't you say something to me? You may think kicking someone without warning or cause is something your allowed to do because punishments are at the discretion as admin (again common sense applies here and kicking someone wihtout warning for one team bump is not common sense). But what shadow said as a kick being a severe warning, obviously that suggests its something you would not do without first giving a lesser warning(s), this is what decent admins do.
It looked horribly intentional so I kicked him.
I basically addressed this in my first response in this post, but yeah again, if you cannot tell the difference between an intentional and unintentional horse bump/tk/tw you should not be admin. Even the newest players can tell the difference why cant you? This thread also has others as i have posted complaining, in part beause of your supposed lack of ability to distinguish the two, but again i assert that you do know the difference, you just cant control your temper.
I have been TKed and TWed on accident hundreds of times and accepted it. Any admin on here can attest to that.
The other posts in this thread would suggest that you have a hard time accepting it, using the M key which is something only the most immature members of the community do, and even demanding apologies from people. Stuff happens, let it go.
As far as logs are concerned they should not matter because I kicked the player based on what happened to me.
You have claimed in game and i believe on here that i was team kiling/team wounding *people* as in mulitple people and that was why you kicked me, but here you admit that your kick was solely because of what i did to you, one allegedly intentional horse bump, which was obviously not intentional. If you kick someone from the server, a harsh penalty, for one horse bump that is an obvious indicator you have an anger issue and have a hard time controlling your actions, and or no common sense whatsoever. I did one thing, to you, given that scenario its up to your discretion and your "ability" to forgive others for things you think they did to you that mattered, and nothing else. If i had done that to anyone else they wouldn't of even mentioned it, i did that to you and you react by kicking me from the server without explanation or warning. An admin should have the most self control, not the least.
I wouldnt be surprised if i had hit someone prior to that atleast one time, but everyone, especially cavalry does it on accident, and if someone doesnt even report you for it then i doubt they think it was intentional or have a problem with it. Unless it was overly excessive, and again if i was runnign over half my team out of the spawn or tking people like crazy i would have a hard time having the top score, especially given it was only the first few rounds.
However once they are updated I will take a look.
Its somewhat surprising that logs are not automatically updated as they occur or atleast daily. But i dont know how the developers manage these things.
I have seen admins lose their job. But not for kicking someone for a legit reason. I have seen them lose it for blanket banning clans and banning people for a personal reason. I go by the books. I have never had a problem with Lemmy.
This quote is moreso for meow but ill addres eyebeats comments here breifly.
Again common sense eyebeat, your dealing wiht someone who as far as you know is a good player and has never really done anythign wrong, and you immediatly kick without looking into the situation, surely if something that occurs a hundred times a game and is an accident 99% of the time and the person who did it has never done anything wrong, then there must be a good enough chance of it being accidental that you would at least ask me about it before acting so harshly and definitively. Also according the the rules "admin disgression" there technically are no rules (only what is typical), which i see as a huge problem. What is typical for a situation like this is to tell someone to knock it off first or ask if they did something intentionally, not instant kick for a horse bump then accuse that person of team killing other players in spawn in admin chat once they get back in and confront you about it. People do tend to notice team kills and i would image most players knew your statement was BS, but its still not a good thing to have happen to you.
Anyways to Meow, are you the person responsible for managing NA admins? If so at what point is an admins competency or ability called into question, and how do you determine that their ability should be called into question? It is highly unreasonable, to only punish or remove admins for doing things, as eyebeat said, like blanked banning clans which is outrageous and farfetched. As far as banning players for a personal reason, im not sure how you prove that, if it is in fact you who are responsible for managing the NA admins. At any rate badplayer, and i think krezcor, people who know eyebeat best have accused him of doing just that already. I would be hessitant to discount badplayer, hes not a good person but he very bluntly tells it like it is and expresses his beliefs, one of the reasons people don't like him, and of course stealing all those peoples looms, but he was somehow allowed to continue playing.
Not to mention when talking about players who actually know eyebeat and would be punished by him for personal reasons, your talking about his former LLJK clan members, the LLJK goon squad is the most infamous clan of trolls in CRPG history, eyebeat, as well as many other members of that clan has reason to be discounted and not taken seriously, but they are his former clan mates and know the most about him, so their thoughts on him need to at-least be considered, especially seeing as eyebeats attitude on this thread is seemingly a facade to trick others into thinking he is calm and fair in order to help himself keep admin, according to many people who know him and people who have delt with him he is angry and has issues controlling his anger. Changing his name from eyebeat_women to whatever it is now is one small example, although he still has his signature that ends in a depiction of sexual acts (fingering), which i didn't know was allowed here much less from an admin, but i digress.
So ya at what point is an admin punished or removed, its overly absurd to only remove an admin for doing somethign so bad as blanket banning, even the worst admins can easily avoid doing that, and its hard to prove personal biased to some extent, even smoothrich is still an admin and if you cant see hes biased from his endless sea of anti hospitaller posts well i dont know what to say about that, also ive heard about him back in the day not punishing his fellow LLJK goon squad members for their antics and i wouldnt be surprised if he was hard on hospitaller in the present.
Not to mention your do not play on NA and do not *really* know who i am, who eyebeat is, or really anyone else on NA. So i would be interested in hearing about that, also are there any actual rules that admins are held to? I see a list of rules for players, but not for admins. If your not the one responsible for NA i apologize and would appreciate if you could tell me who is.
EDIT: Also shadowren do you really need to follow me around and downvote all of my posts and upvote the posts of those who are against me in whatever thread im in(if there actually is an agrumenet/debate taking place that thread). I know your mad about me leaving hospitaller still (i think?), but if hoosby and spaniard can stop harrasing me about it i should hope you can to, thank you.
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