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Re: OCCUPIED Amendment
« Reply #210 on: February 06, 2012, 04:59:53 pm »
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All Americanos please do sign and spread the word.

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Quote from: About the OCCUPIED Amendment

The Outlawing Corporate Cash Undermining the Public Interest in our Elections and Democracy (OCCUPIED) Amendment is a constitutional amendment introduced by Congressman Ted Deutch of Florida’s 19th district. See a section-by-section explanation of the OCCUPIED Amendment below.

THE PETITION
I support H. J. Res 90, the OCCUPIED Amendment, to amend the U.S. Constitution to make clear that corporations are not people, that corporations cannot spend money in our elections, that Congress and the States can regulate corporations, and that Congress can limit and require full disclosure of all political contributions and expenditures by all individuals and private entities. By signing my name to this petition, theoccupiedamendment.org may send me email updates on the movement to overturn Citizens United

What You Can Do

1. Please sign this petition to demonstrate the powerful grassroots support behind the Occupy Amendment.

2. Please send your friends and family information about the OCCUPIED Amendment so they can show their support.

3. Please call your elected representatives in Congress and ask them to cosponsor H. J. Res 90, the OCCUPIED Amendment.

Section I. – Corporations are not people.
" The rights protected by the Constitution of the United States are the rights of natural persons and do not extend to for-profit corporations, limited liability companies, or other private entities established for business purposes or to promote business interests under the laws of any state, the United States, or any foreign state."

Explanation: Section I of the OCCUPIED Amendment makes clear that corporations, and entities established to promote the business interests of their member corporations, are not people with inalienable rights enshrined in our Constitution. This section overturns the incorrect assertion in the Supreme Court decision Citizens United that corporations have free speech rights protected by the Constitution and are therefore able to spend unlimited corporate profits in our elections. Section I also denies corporations and other entities established for business purposes the right to claim that worker protections, environmental regulations, and other laws written by the people violate their court-awarded constitutional rights.

Section II. – Corporations can be regulated by people.
" Such corporate and other private entities established under law are subject to regulation by the people through the legislative process so long as such regulations are consistent with the powers of Congress and the States and do not limit the freedom of the press. "

Explanation: Section II simply states that corporations are established in accordance with the laws of the people and they are therefore subject to laws written by the people. Corporations cannot claim they have constitutional protections from laws written by the people to limit pollution, ensure the fair treatment of workers, and safeguard the public.

Section III. – Corporate prohibition in elections.
" Such corporate and other private entities shall be prohibited from making contributions or expenditures in any election of any candidate for public office or upon any ballot measure submitted to a vote of the people. "

Explanation: Section III prohibits business corporations and business associations from using their profits to participate in our elections, whether it is through direct expenditures from their general treasuries or through funding third party groups that air attack ads, influence voters, or electioneer communications. This section slams shut the door opened by Citizens United that enabled our elections to be flooded by corporate campaign spending.

Section IV. – Regulation of all electioneering, contributions, and expenditures by individuals and other entities.
" Congress and the States shall have the power to regulate and set limits on all election contributions and expenditures, including a candidate’s own spending, and to authorize the establishment of political committees to receive, spend, and publicly disclose the sources of those contributions and expenditures. "

Explanation: Section IV strikes back against the argument made in Citizens United that caps on electoral spending and expenditures are unconstitutional. By reaffirming the right of Congress and the States to establish campaign finance laws that require public disclosure, corporations will no longer be able to anonymously funnel cash to third party groups for the purpose of funding malicious attack ads, smear campaigns, and companion Super PACS. Section IV also allows Congress to set limits and require disclosure for any and all political contributions and expenditures by individuals and other private entities. This section allows Congress to end the practice of a few billionaires spending unlimited funds to promote their personal political agendas.

All details available here (FAQ).



This is extremely important. If we can rid politics of the money influence we might make actually make it without a global revolution. All we need is ONE country to lead the way, will it be the US of A? If so then they would once again be admired by the World.

The idea is brilliant: Only citizens should be able to donate to politicians and with a limit. That would mean corporations would lose their grip on politics and even billionaires would be on the same 'level' as every other person. Amazing and simple concept.
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #211 on: February 07, 2012, 03:54:33 pm »
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Not sure if this has been posted yet but this is fucking amazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifJG_oFFDK0

Ron Paul is basically Nostradamus.

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #212 on: February 08, 2012, 09:06:38 am »
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Not sure if this has been posted yet but this is fucking amazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifJG_oFFDK0

Ron Paul is basically Nostradamus.

Someone said
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"Some of our moderate Arab allies will be overthrown by Islamic fundamentalists." This quote is matched up to the "Arab Spring." Go to that Wikipedia entry and read "Motivations" section. The Spring was, if anything, moderates overthrowing fundamentalists and dictators, the way I see it. Sure Mubarak, for one, was our ally, but was also a crazy a-hole. I think you need a more specific example, CollectiveCheckup.
an I tend to agree. Even if the arab spring has overthrown USA allies, I do not think it has been devised by the islamic fundamentalists. They very likely helped and tried to use it (and still trying), but the population elected the moderate islamic parties.

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #215 on: February 08, 2012, 01:51:15 pm »
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With regulation it has become irrelevant, but the point was in the mindset anyhow. An armed populace thinks differently of it's rights than an unarmed one.

No, the point was that the US had no standing army and the state militias were it's first, last and only line of defence. A standing army was seen as a horrible, tyrannical way for the rulers to dominate it's own populace. And the FF hated that. They thought a country should be defended by it's citizens, not by paid mercenaries.

Oh and how does an armed populace think differently of it's rights? Not quite sure what you mean here. "Unarmed" populaces are filled with easily manipulated subvervient sheep, "armed" ones aren't? So how did the US get so many "anti-constitutional" laws then? Where was the armed popular uprising from the average man against Federal tyranny?
 The closest thing was the Civil War, but how was that not a war between two governments, with two standing armies(not even going to get into the reasons for the war, really tired of revisionists going "It was about State's Rights, not Slavery!")? Did weapon ownership among civilians have ANY effect whatsoever on that war?
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #216 on: February 09, 2012, 06:41:58 pm »
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I doubt Syrian people were allowed to possess firearms, and now they have a few AK's against tanks and artillery :s

At least buying a rocket launcher or two, with attack choppers and shit shouldn't be too hard, for this "anti-tyranny" thing to have a chance in the modern era.

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #217 on: February 09, 2012, 07:02:18 pm »
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Bunch of socialists and poor people up in this thread. Makes me feel dirty just reading it.

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #218 on: February 09, 2012, 07:57:21 pm »
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No, the point was that the US had no standing army and the state militias were it's first, last and only line of defence. A standing army was seen as a horrible, tyrannical way for the rulers to dominate it's own populace. And the FF hated that. They thought a country should be defended by it's citizens, not by paid mercenaries.

Right. That being said, I agree with the sentiments of the founding fathers here. Also, ownership of firearms is relevant in the realm of protection against non-government criminals. We can have a statistics/common-sense battle over that if you want.

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Oh and how does an armed populace think differently of it's rights? Not quite sure what you mean here. "Unarmed" populaces are filled with easily manipulated subvervient sheep, "armed" ones aren't? So how did the US get so many "anti-constitutional" laws then? Where was the armed popular uprising from the average man against Federal tyranny?

Could the state have gotten away with more with an unarmed populace? Not sure. I think incremental changes (however significant over the long term) will always be easy to get away with without widespread intellectual dissent. I see your point though.

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The closest thing was the Civil War, but how was that not a war between two governments, with two standing armies(not even going to get into the reasons for the war, really tired of revisionists going "It was about State's Rights, not Slavery!")? Did weapon ownership among civilians have ANY effect whatsoever on that war?

I don't think the civil war is relevant because it was a war between two governments with standing armies.

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #219 on: February 09, 2012, 08:24:42 pm »
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Right. That being said, I agree with the sentiments of the founding fathers here. Also, ownership of firearms is relevant in the realm of protection against non-government criminals. We can have a statistics/common-sense battle over that if you want.

Nope I pretty much agree with that, which is why I have no problem with regulated firearms. It makes it easier for criminals to have access to guns as well, but criminals would have access to them anyways, since, yknow, they have a tendency to not follow the law. I just get snarky at people who bring up the argument that the 2nd was made with stopping government tyranny in mind, which it kind of was but only if you take it with the context of no standing army, something that even Ron Paul wouldn't advocate.
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #223 on: February 11, 2012, 03:25:07 pm »
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For once I feel those backdoors in democracy should stay open.

Another good report by Rachel Maddow.

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #224 on: February 12, 2012, 01:48:32 am »
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Ha ha they're scared now, FOX even "out of nowhere" shut down Judge Napolitano's Freedom Watch - despite being a prime time and well watched show.
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"Fox business network is dropping three of their primetime shows, one including the top-rated show "Freedom watch" hosted by Judge Napolitano. Judge Napolitano covers topics from Occupy Wall street, to the National authorization act, he has been consistently pro-Ron Paul and anti-war."

You ANTI WAR and PRO FREEDOM? What you doing on TV!

Fox closes Freedom Watch with Judge Napolitano (RT America)



Some clips from the latest shows:

Freedom Watch: State Powers & Federal Bribes - Judge Andrew Napolitano (2012-01-26)
Freedom Watch: Can Secret Stimulus Help? Anthony Randazzo, Sandra Smith & Lynn Parramore - Napolitano (2012-01-26)
Freedom Watch: Only Man in Touch with Reality is Ron Paul" - Army Col. Douglas Macgregor on Judge Andrew Napolitano (2012-01-26)
Freedom Watch: EPA Bans Hot Dogs, Cops Mace 200+ Kids, Ron Paul Liberty Dollar - Judge Napolitano (2012-01-26)
Freedom Watch: Former CIA Chief Michael Scheuer says only Ron Paul has a Foreign Policy to Defend U.S. National Security Interests - Napolitano (2012-01-18)
Freedom Watch: Who Owns Your Labor & Income? - Judge Andrew Napolitano (2012-01-17)
Freedom Watch: Warrant-less Raids - Mossad/CIA in Pakistan - SOPA - Peter Suderman - Judge Napolitano (2012-01-17)
Freedom Watch: A World Without Income Tax - Steve Moore on Ron Paul - Judge Andrew Napolitano (2012-01-17)
Freedom Watch: Ron Paul Stands For You! - Huffines Super Pack Ads - Judge Napolitano (2012-01-17)
Freedom Watch: DAA, Warrant-less K9 Searches, 8 Years Without Trial - Judge Andrew Napolitano (2012-01-04)

It's easy to find more clips but as seen above this was quite the interesting show, definitely one that should have stayed on the air.


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