Proper samurai. Doing it right?

[Inkompetent]

Me and a buddy decided we wanted to try playing proper samurai. Since we can't get both riding skill, horse archery, polearms, bows, 1h weapons, and 2h weapons to cover for the use of yumi from horseback, yari or nodachi, and wakizashi or katana, we decided to go for being on foot, with 2h (katana or nodachi) and yumi.

As it stands now the absolute minimum points I'm looking at is 18/18 to get sufficient power draw for the yumi, and strength for a nodachi, with room to increase to 21/18 or 18/21.

As for skills Power Strike, Power Draw, Athletics, and Weapon Mastery are maxed. Iron Flesh (or possibly Riding) will only be taken with spare points, if getting any.


Question is: More strength, or more agility? Hitting harder is always nice, but especially the nodachi is a pretty slow weapon, and the bonus athletics and weapon mastery speaks for agility focus rather than a bit more hard-hitting sword and bow.

[Fluffy_Muffin]

I like this idea so i made a build for you (note: lvl 31 build)

Strength: 18
Agility: 21
Hit points: 53
Attributes to skills: 1
Skills to attributes: 8

Power Strike: 6
Athletics: 7
Power Draw: 6
Weapon Master: 7

Two Handed: 122
Archery: 130

You can tweak the wpf values to your liking, depending on if you want to shoot or fight more

I would say the answer to your question would be more agility, if you are  a hybrind you need the extra wpf points and besides 6 ps is enough for a power cutter like the nodachi.

Also i have a mw nodachi for sale/trade if you want one

[Torben]

i like muffins build. 

[Inkompetent]

Looks like a pretty solid build to me. Unfortunately I don't have neither the money nor items to trade. 

[Torben]

btw this is my wanabe samurai outfit ^^

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[Cup1d]

meh, you can't make good (not gimped) samurai at 30 level.
6 PD requirement for Jumi make «samurai» build almost impossible.

Level 31 (8 892 403 xp)

Strength: 18
Agility: 18
Hit points: 53
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 0
Athletics: 6
Riding: 5
Horse Archery: 3
Power Draw: 6
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 6
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 100
Polearm: 1
Archery: 135
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

31 level, Jumi, barbed arrows, rouncey, katana (you can use katana on horseback) or Long hafted blade (you can slash with LHB on horseback too - 100 wpf go in polearm in this case)

[Corwin]

You will not be able to carry Yumi, arrows and any twohander (except Mace which isn't samurai) together.

Forget archery, get riding instead and be two handed cavalry using katana. 

[B3RS3RK]

Heavy Samurai Outfit+Courser+Katana=Win

[Cup1d]

You will not be able to carry Yumi, arrows and any twohander (except Mace which isn't samurai) together.

Forget archery, get riding instead and be two handed cavalry using katana.

Jumi is one slot bow. You CAN use Jumi, one quiver of arrows and any twohander of your choise.

[Corwin]

What??? Sorry then for idiotic comment.

Anyway, two handed cavlary is lot cooler. Something like this (my build for next gen probably):

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    Strength: 21
    Agility: 18
    Hit points: 56

    Skills to attributes: 8

    Ironflesh: 0
    Power Strike: 7
    Shield: 0
    Athletics: 6
    Riding: 6
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 4

    One Handed: 1
    Two Handed: 138
    Polearm: 1
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1

[Rebelyell]

i fought about char of that kind i will try muffins bulid

[Digglez]

NINJA/SAMURAI
·   Strength: 15
·   Agility: 24
·   Hit points: 60
·   Skills to attributes: 8
·   Ironflesh: 5
·   Power Strike: 5
·   Shield: 0
·   Athletics: 8
·   Riding: 0
·   Horse Archery: 0
·   Power Draw: 0
·   Power Throw: 0
·   Weapon Master: 5
·   Two Handed: 136
·   Polearm: 75

Granted this lvl 30 build you wont be able to use Nodachi or Long Hafted Blade, but doable once you get lvl 31.  Dadao isnt that much different than Nodachi and its pretty cheap.  There so much cav these days that not having polearm skill is very dangerous when using no-thrust or poor thrust dmg swords.  Bring a bamboo spear to fend off cav until you engage in mortal melee combat!  Also, carry a long dagger to assassinate those unworthy of proper quick deaths.

[Inkompetent]

Looking at Cup1d's fun-looking spec I gave my hands at trying to make it decent for level 30 (since at 31 I'll be going for heirlooming), and this is what I thought out, based on my current stats, which includes 113 in 2h skill.

Strength: 18
Agility: 18

Hit points: 53
Skills to attributes: 2

Power Strike: 5
Athletics: 5
Riding: 4
Horse Archery: 3
Power Draw: 6
Weapon Master: 6

Two Handed: 114
Archery: 123


4 in riding is hardly making me a master rider, but it should be enough for crazy-as-a-japanese passbys with the yumi. Possibly removing one point in HA to put in riding instead, to improve horse speed and maneuverability.
In a final build I'd probably reduce my 2h skill a bit to further improve the archery.

[Cup1d]

NINJA/SAMURAI
·   Strength: 15
·   Agility: 24
·   Hit points: 60
·   Skills to attributes: 8
·   Ironflesh: 5
·   Power Strike: 5
·   Shield: 0
·   Athletics: 8
·   Riding: 0
·   Horse Archery: 0
·   Power Draw: 0
·   Power Throw: 0
·   Weapon Master: 5
·   Two Handed: 136
·   Polearm: 75

Granted this lvl 30 build you wont be able to use Nodachi or Long Hafted Blade, but doable once you get lvl 31.

Can you explain, why you can't use LHB with this build?
TBH, 15\24 is great build for LHB only. You don't need backup 2H weapon if you know how to fight with LHB. At least it's true for battleserver.

[Digglez]

Can you explain, why you can't use LHB with this build?
TBH, 15\24 is great build for LHB only. You don't need backup 2H weapon if you know how to fight with LHB. At least it's true for battleserver.

Because Nodachi & Long Hafted Blade are 16 STR requirement.  This is a lvl 30 build with only 15 STR.  At 31 you could have 16 STR and use them.  Samurai value speed and agility over brute force & endurance.