Crossbow and Bowmen that have too much armor and being too much effective

[Tydeus]

If you take that many hits to kill an archer, you are either agi based, have terrible footwork, are fighting a master of footwork, and/or are fighting a high level STR archer who can't run away very well/Is well above level 30.

21 str archer: 51 health, 35 armour. (~40 max without wpf loss)
18 str 2 hander: 48 health, 40+ armour.  (Ability to go much higher with a hell of a lot more choice and versatility.)

Correct me if I'm wrong EyeBeatWomen, but I believe he's talking about this: A melee "Archer hunter" build is something like 12/27, 15/24. Not an 18 str build and not wearing 40+ armor. The "Archer hunter" has to be faster than any archer otherwise he's not going to be able to do his job. So he has to sacrifice strength and armor so that he can catch those archers that run. The problem is that many archers have more hp/ps/armor than even he does. Thus he ends up with a "gimped" build.

This is happening because there are more archers that are choosing melee(albeit not very many of them) rather than simply running away. That in itself kinda makes the "Archer Hunter" build obsolete. I've certainly seen a fair bit more archers in lamellar and cavalry robes than in recent times. I've also seen more rus bows, but I'm not sure any of this is really a bad thing.

[Gisbert_of_Thuringia]

I don't understand what you all want with your archerhunterbuilds or whatever o.O

I have a shielder myself with only 5 athletics and I can easily catch most archers. Some can run and shoot, ok, but for that I have a shield.
Those who run can wait for later.

And the damage is fine, I can 1-2 hit most archers with a nonloomed sword and 6 ps.

So what's the prob with getting a shielder? If you really want to be an archerhunter, just get yourself 6 or maybe 7 athletics, a shield and 6 ps. And yes, it is possible:    18/24 for example,  6 ps, 5 shield, 7 athletics, 5 wm.  Perfect for hunting an archer.
You can also go 15/24 if you prefer being even faster, but then you have to work with speed when you want to hit, but still it takes only 2-3 hits to kill an archer then. Not that much.

And all the stuff you talk about here is complete rubbish.  Archers having sooo many hp or soo much armour or whatever. Go to the servers and check out the archers (you can even check out me when I'm on with archer), you hardly see any with more than 35 bodyarmour 

Btw, I usually walk around with tribal warrior outfit, nordic champion's sword and heavy roundshield with my shielder, when I'm archerhunting + 5 athletics. I usually don't have much trouble to get them and if you use the possible builds I posted, you will be a perfect archerunter and you can still wear decent armour with more than 10 weight ;)   No need for a 12/24 build.

[Xant]

Easily catch most archers with 5 athletics and the weight of a shield? I doubt it.

"18/24 for example,  6 ps, 5 shield, 7 athletics, 5 wm. "

I'm assuming you mean 18/21 - still better to take 7 shield and 3 WM if you want to hunt archers.

[Vibe]

7 ath with medium/heavy armor is  not enough to catch most archers.

[[ptx]]

You're talking about Horn Bow archers, right? A longbow archer will either not be able to run away or will have no IF/PS, whilst still wearing light armor. Or will be a slow near-melee-range pewer, in which case he'd be better off with a crossbow.

[Xant]

You're talking about Horn Bow archers, right? A longbow archer will either not be able to run away or will have no IF/PS, whilst still wearing light armor. Or will be a slow near-melee-range pewer, in which case he'd be better off with a crossbow.

Not sure what you mean, something like this would work just fine for running and melee...?

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 21
Agility: 18
Hit points: 56
Skills to attributes: 8

Power Strike: 4
Athletics: 6
Power Draw: 7
Weapon Master: 6

[[ptx]]

Or will be a slow near-melee-range pewer, in which case he'd be better off with a crossbow.

[Xant]

Not sure what you mean, something like this would work just fine for running and melee...?

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 21
Agility: 18
Hit points: 56
Skills to attributes: 8

Power Strike: 4
Athletics: 6
Power Draw: 7
Weapon Master: 6

[[ptx]]

No, you don't. :/

Longbowmen - it is not a melee class, it is a ranged class. That build has next to no ranged capability.
Having an attack speed barely faster than that of a siege crossbow, less damage, whilst also missing 2/3 arrows against a static target just 20m away, whilst also having a horribad delay just doesn't work.

[Xant]

Wat? How does it not have ranged capability? I don't know about you, but even with a STF 21/18 longbowman I didn't miss static targets 20m away.

[[ptx]]

I don't know, good luck maybe? How long did you play that exactly?

[Xant]

For a good while, took me pretty long to be able to afford a longbow too because of arrow breaking. It was more than accurate enough, I can only imagine how it'd be with looms.

[[ptx]]

No way. MW longbow here -
18/18 = god-awful-accuracy, horrible to play, better off just pretending to be a peasant
18/21 = bad accuracy, annoying to play, mostly just shoot at groups, close targets, miss a lot
18/24 = suddenly goes to okay accuracy, quite playable, 3 skill points to spare at either IF/PS/Athl at lvl30.

[Gisbert_of_Thuringia]

You shouldn't ask how long he has played archer, but when it was^^

Much has changed about archery in the last months, especially about accuracy.

Btw, you can be very accurate, even with 6 weaponmaster on a longbow, but only for short/mid range.

If you want to be away from your target for more than the reach of a thrown axe then you will recognise lots of misshots with 6 wm, if you constantly play with a longbow, unless you are a very decent archer (which can happen^^)

[[ptx]]

Decency has nothing to do with your weapon simply being inaccurate.