Crush-thru weapons that need to be nerfed...

[Soldier_of_God]

Crushthrough is not a problem with me... but there are some weapons that are unbalanced. i will list the offending items and you all have 1 VOTES to decide which ones you hate, or to vote for nerf on a particular item.

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Comparison stats:

Two Handed Sword     5444        weight 2.25
requirement 11
spd rtng 96
weapon length 110
swing damage 38, cut
thrust damage 25 pierce

Bar Mace   5150    weight 4.5
requirement 13
spd rtng 92
weapon length 96
swing damage 35, blunt
thrust damage 0 blunt
Crushtrhough
Unbalanced
Knockdown

Studded Warclub   2854   weight 3.5
requirement 10
spd rtng 96
weapon length 92
swing damage 29, blunt
thrust damage 16 blunt
Crushtrhough
Unbalanced
Knockdown

Spiked Mace   2250   weight 2.75
requirement 8
spd rtng 100
weapon length 70
swing damage 31, blunt
thrust damage 0 pierce
Crushtrhough
Knockdown

Long Iron Mace   4355   weight 4.5
requirement 11
spd rtng 94
weapon length 95
swing damage 33, blunt
thrust damage 20 blunt
Crushtrhough
Unbalanced
Knockdown


All these weapons, in my opinion are over the top because of speed and weight discrepancies that break the gameplay.

its one think to take a maul, greatmaul, mallet, or pole hammer and swing mindlessly into a crowd. theres a place for that, and it make teamwork necessary on sieges.  every team needs a shock troop, and this is it.

its another to duel with a weapon that makes your 1h,2h, or shield impotent when blocking; an important part of dueling.
any of the aformentioned weapons should NEVER be a good option against a well balanced, light weight, long reaching
fair speeded two handed sword. EVER.

[Vygar]

I think crushthrough should be removed period.  Any weaopn that completely negates your RMB defenses is gamebreaking.  Shields already have a counter in bonus damage to shields which is plenty. 

[Diomedes]

There's no "none" option in the poll.


I've played four builds now: hoplite, archer, light 1h+shield, heavy 1h+shield.  In each case I found opponents with crushthrough weapons to be manageable and predictable, rarely ever a surprise or exceptional fight.  There are some exceptionally skilled players who know how to rely on their strengths, and who fight mainly in very advantageous situations, but this is true with every class.

[Patricia]

I rarely have problems with crush through weapons, 95% of the time I can footwork my way to victory without much trouble.

Though the barmace and long iron mace are both pretty damn fast to have a crush through, atleast the spiked mace is offset by the fact even with 13 PS and 39 strength the chance to crush through is like 1%

[Ganon]

Where's the option "none" ?

[Matey]

Great Maul. more than any other. agi build with great maul is broken.

[Camaris]

Tbh Great Maul maybe a problem for shielders if they dont attack first (short weapon) but if you use Great Maul vs 2handers you are lost if your opponent isnt really bad.

[Spawny]

Barmace in a fight with a 1h:

Block once - overhead (if he sidesteps, just follow him during the swing as even hitting the side of the shield or his foot deals full damage) - overhead - overhead - dead.

If you step back when he overheads, he'll just have to block once again to kill you anyway. Unless they're plain dumb, you'll have a hard time beating him.

[La Makina]

Barmace.

I often use a 2H axe and I am always in big trouble when facing barmaces because they have a longer range. Even though I can block most of their attacks, the expected unstoppable overhead attack will eventually kill me, one shot, whatever I do, whatever my head armor.

It is also very ugly, looks like a spare part from a locomotive. Did this exist in the Middle Age?

[Xant]

Barmace.

I often use a 2H axe and I am always in big trouble when facing barmaces because they have a longer range. Even though I can block most of their attacks, the expected unstoppable overhead attack will eventually kill me, one shot, whatever I do, whatever my head armor.

It is also very ugly, looks like a spare part from a locomotive. Did this exist in the Middle Age?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Barmace

[Magikarp]

Full str builds will be rendered useless if this gets nerfed, really.

Normally it's just people who are way to passive if they lose to these builds.

Why are people whining now, and not before btw? When plate was virtually costless this build was OP as hell, yet none cared.

[[ptx]]

People did care. Morningstar was even more OP than barmace now, even if it was shorter. Not sure why they didn't nerf barmace back then, together with MS.

[Elmetiacos]

If the Bar Mace is nerfed, people will switch to the Long Iron (Sarranid) Mace instead; it's the same weight for crushthroughs, 1cm shorter, 2 less damage but 2 more speed, and it can thrust.

[bruce]

If the Bar Mace is nerfed, people will switch to the Long Iron (Sarranid) Mace instead; it's the same weight for crushthroughs, 1cm shorter, 2 less damage but 2 more speed, and it can thrust.

ALL the fast maces which can crush are getting nerfed. Barmace, long iron mace, you name it.

[Xant]

It's gonna be nerfed too.