I guess you are trying to play with words here but it is obvious that we never decieved anyone so far.
Why again wasn't that alliance which not even had a name, why wasn't it made public? Oh let me check ah for the reason that others wont know that we supposidly worked together. In my book that comes pretty close to a deception.
We were allies with Byzntines, HRE, Wolves and Templars and agreed to fight against western clans and here is a list what happened:
nope you weren't. You were allied with Byzantium/Fallen/HRE/GK even before the peace talks in the desert ask Ujin, he should still remember our talks were i told him my plans to go to the desert at NA/EU map release, at start of strat3.0 and then when he later claimed that in the meantime that he totally forgot about me telling him, till he then remembered again and ooops there where the claims released, claims including all of the desert, with you knowing we would be there with you knowing of our plans. If Ujiin didn't tell you then this is actual a plus for Ujiin, but as far what was told from a former contract partner out of last strat i know of another leader who talked about what i was going to do, after me asking him to join, well that's just life, give trust and sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't.
* Wolves and Templars deceived us including HRE and Fallen too. They sent us support armies which then turned into attack armies who are currently attacking our fiefs.
can't argue there, still remember on a site not that Byzantium/Kapikulu supplied Nords and afterwards i was invited to peace talks initiated by nocti ... good old times.
They also asked us to betray HRE but we refused.
At the time Byzantium left strat and CamelScreamer did, i offered you membership and therefor full protection of the alliance, i only asked you that anyone would be fare game.
if you had accepted that, it could have been that we would now be fighting bashi.
You didn't and i didn't pressure the matter.
Edit: Last Minute Addition: Yea I'm sorry to be the bad guy but this thread needs to have this information too.
After the betrayal, I was offered to stay in the region without any fiefs for some time, while Wolves&Templars were busy with destroying HRE & Fallen. And we recruiting troops in castles to support them while all this was happening to our only loyal allies. Eventually we might be offered a fief in the lands of the destroyed HRE. So a request for betraying our loyal allies and being loyal to our betrayers.
After filling you in on my deception, i told you i wouldn't ask you that, but as it comes a Kapikulu member asked me in steam DiagonaL, if we couldn't be alliance partners and i told him if you were up for that there may be a chance. With you staying down for 2 weeks, not doing anything in strat then grinding troops and agreeing to defeat publicly in the forum and even giving all you got today to HRE without me attacking anyone Kapikulu.
So with this last event in mind out of my perspective Kapikulu came to me to ask, not i came to you to ask.
Sorry being like this, but community has to know ...
does it now?
The worst part is that this came from Wolves and Templars, the guys we always trusted 
I wouldn't go on public if it was any other clan.
man i apologized to you and Rogue, i don't know about others who made deceptions if they would have.
I told you, it was not because of you, i didn't take any pleasure out of this. At the time this started you were already indirectly at war with us, what were you thinking including us in alliance talks in the first place? Templars weren't even invited to that first meeting i just brought them with me and i was asked to leave all small clans alone, like CamelScreamers, CotgS and Pecores(btw i would have been offened only calling me a small clan even it would be true.)
Small clans would have been only a burden was implied, but i told you at that meeting i wont leave them alone. And yes it came in handy that noone knew about how close Hospitaler/Occitan and we were already, but would i made it public the war in the desert would have been a mess for all of us.
Well Templars and Wolves switched to the side where there are more opportunities.
I didn't switch sites that was the hole point of the deception, now nocti take it like a man, that you got beat at your own game. I don't know any other diplomat in this game like you who scares the shit out of me as i rarely know to what you are up to even after one whole strat as your contract partner. You form truth in your hands like a candle maker forms wax.
