can we all admit the new (last balance patch) archer paradigm is fucking terribl

[hippy_with_a_scimi]

15-24, and light shield. It's not good for archer hunting, they can still run away from me freely even with just 18 agi like bagge. Problem is, shield and 1h affect movement a lot, while bows and arrows don't affect it so much, and archers can use lighter armor as they don't have to go into melee and don't have to worry so much about stray bolts, arrows and horses.

I'll go 15-27 or even 15-30, just to counter those my old friends. If it's not enough, i'd go 12-33 or 9-36.

Shielder here too , im 18/24 and once i hit 35( in the next life) ill be 18/27 , when there is alot of archers i usually go studden coat and murder the kiters

in short  8 ath low armor is optimal for theses fuckers ! they underestimate the acceleration !

[Cup1d]

wait, you do not need 12 athletics to catch archer? But how you can do it if everyone think that it's impossible Balbaroth?

[Xant]

Yes, well, if you have to wear 6.6 weight armor and have 8 athletics to catch archers then it's pretty much impossible for 99% of shielders. And that's only the lower athl archers, of course.

[Tears of Destiny]

wait, you do not need 12 athletics to catch archer? But how you can do it if everyone think that it's impossible Balbaroth?

On NA our agi shielders manage to heavily disrupt and even kill archers. *shrugs* Matey is a prime example of a smart shielder who also has a good build for such a thing.

[Lech]

Shielder here too , im 18/24 and once i hit 35( in the next life) ill be 18/27 , when there is alot of archers i usually go studden coat and murder the kiters

in short  8 ath low armor is optimal for theses fuckers ! they underestimate the acceleration !

weight: 6.6 compared to heraldic mail with tabard weight: 12.2. Thats why i need 27 agi to kill those fuckers.

[Cup1d]

weight: 6.6 compared to heraldic mail with tabard weight: 12.2. Thats why i need 27 agi to kill those fuckers.

No, thats why there are «Smart» and «Meat» shielders.
No offense mate, but math is simple  - if weight of your overall equipment less than opponent's weight - you'll catch opponent.

Archer mininum equipment overall weight:
Armor - 5
boots - 0,5
bow - 1,5
2 quivers of arrows - 6 at least

No hand armor
No head armor
No backup weapon
______________________
= 12



Xant

Yes, well, if you have to wear 6.6 weight armor and have 8 athletics to catch archers then it's pretty much impossible for 99% of shielders. And that's only the lower athl archers, of course.

Can you show me 30 level archer build with 6 PD, at least 150 wpf in archery and 8 athletics?

[Dezilagel]

Xant

Can you show me 30 level archer build with 6 PD, at least 150 wpf in archery and 8 athletics?

herpdiderp...

[Xant]

Xant

Can you show me 30 level archer build with 6 PD, at least 150 wpf in archery and 8 athletics?

Cupid

Can you show me a level 30 shielder build with 6 PS, at least 150 wpf in 1 handed and 8 athletics?

[Cup1d]

Xant

There are so many 1H weapons with 18 str requirement?

[Dezilagel]

Xant

There are so many 1H weapons with 18 str requirement?

You're missing the point; the point is that currently having light armor and little str is pretty damn gimp for melee chars.

[Xant]

Xant

There are so many 1H weapons with 18 str requirement?

You can use a hornbow with 15 strength, and thanks to pierce damage you'll do well.

Wearing 6.6 weight armor for melee means you'll die if someone sneezes on you - ranged from behind or sides, or when you're attacking in melee, or you get kicked, or you just fail once..

[hippy_with_a_scimi]

You can use a hornbow with 15 strength, and thanks to pierce damage you'll do well.

Wearing 6.6 weight armor for melee means you'll die if someone sneezes on you - ranged from behind or sides, or when you're attacking in melee, or you get kicked, or you just fail once..

sadly its true , but the laws of physics cannot be mended, the archer is in clothing or leather at best , he will run faster than a plated guy `:<

Also as much as i love my leather outfit my team usually tk me in the process 

[Tzar]

Increase the weight on the bow kiting archers be gone....

[Rumblood]

Increase the weight on the bow kiting archers be gone....

Or decrease the WPF penalty on weight for archers, which will lead to more archers actually wearing heavier armor that slows them down to speeds where they can be caught. Oh, and that armor might at least make them consider a bit of melee where they wont die from a glancing blow.

[Tzar]

Or decrease the WPF penalty on weight for archers, which will lead to more archers actually wearing heavier armor that slows them down to speeds where they can be caught. Oh, and that armor might at least make them consider a bit of melee where they wont die from a glancing blow.

Fail suggestion do i need to explain why or can you figure that one out for yourself? let me know if you figure it out or else ill explain it too you but the amount of fail in that post of yours should ´nt take long to figure out whats gonna go horrible wrong here.

I do see the point your trying to make but archers pack so much dmg all ready on their bows that they dont benefit from using a melee weapon in the first place even if u gave em armor they wouldnt borther since they can outrun melee with their current setup an kite evryone to death unless their target have 9 ath..