Let's talk about the 2h mace

[zagibu]

I've noticed that I die to this weapon a lot. When i look at the stats, I don't see anything special, it is fast, sure, but the damage is nothing unheard of, and the reach is terrible. Somehow I still get hit, even when I think I'm at a safe distance.

What do you guys think? Is it just me that has problems against this weapon? Or do I only imagine problems where a simple overdistribution of this weapon (mostly among ranged) is the cause of my frequent deaths?

[Tears of Destiny]

The only reason why you die to it a lot is because everyone and their mother uses it due to being just 1 slot. It is not OP, it is merely extremely accessible and thus common.

[zagibu]

Yeah, I thought this might be the case, but then i picked one up and noticed that I can also kill very well with it. I'm not really saying it's OP, but it seems to be much longer and harder hitting than the stats are making you believe.

[Vibe]

30 blunt is not that bad actually. Loom it and it can hurt a lot with proper speed bonus and a headshot.

[slothscott]

Its weight is very high for its small size, I think that should be changed.

[Digglez]

too fast & too heavy.  pick one or the other

[Spawny]

It knocks you off your feet an aweful lot.

Knockdown= certain death. By the time you get up, they have hit you 2 or 3 times.

[BlackMilk]

Remove knockdown, lower the weight.

[Jarlek]

It does too much damage for it's price and weight.

The reason it hit's you even when you think it shouldn't is because of the bonus reach gained by the 2h animations.

Also, just gonna leave here the 1h mace with roughly the same price for comparison...

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Winged Mace
weapon length: 70
weight: 1.8
difficulty: 11
speed rating: 98
weapon length: 70
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 27 blunt
slots: 1
Knockdown

4,193 gold

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Mace
weapon length: 70
weight: 2.8
difficulty: 8
speed rating: 99
weapon length: 70
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 30 blunt
slots: 1
Knockdown

4,225 gold

Seriously. The weight of this thing needs to be reduced a LOT! Also make it a 1h with 2h mode, like the langes messer, and not a 1h/2h.
I can understand that, compared to the 1h version, it has more damage, more speed, more weight, less difficulty, better animation... HOLY SHIT who thought THIS is reasonable? Jesus, give the 1h maces a buff or nerf the crap out of this fucker!

[Camaris]

You know that the one hand mace can be used with a shield?
They dont have to be equal in stats.

[Jarlek]

You know that the one hand mace can be used with a shield?
They dont have to be equal in stats.

You mean a shield that slows you down 50%, reduces your weapon speed and decreases the angle you can block in?

Yeah, you're right. That really is such a huge OP bonus...

/sarcasm.
Look, with alll the shield nerfs, not having a shield is now just as good as having one. When you have a shield you gain the ability to block projectiles, block couches and block from multiple directions. But, you also get reduced movement speed, reduced weapon speed and reduced block angle and reduced feinting potential. Some of these things are more important than others, but that varies for different persons. The point is, "you can use it with a shield" is no longer a valid argument because shields aren't powerfull anymore. You can still use them for what you need shields for, but the penalties for using one is big enough to make someone without a shield and with a shield equally effective.

PS: The 2h mace can be used with a shield so you fail anyway.

[Camaris]

You mean a shield that slows you down 50%, reduces your weapon speed and decreases the angle you can block in?

Yeah, you're right. That really is such a huge OP bonus...

/sarcasm.
Look, with alll the shield nerfs, not having a shield is now just as good as having one. When you have a shield you gain the ability to block projectiles, block couches and block from multiple directions. But, you also get reduced movement speed, reduced weapon speed and reduced block angle and reduced feinting potential. Some of these things are more important than others, but that varies for different persons. The point is, "you can use it with a shield" is no longer a valid argument because shields aren't powerfull anymore. You can still use them for what you need shields for, but the penalties for using one is big enough to make someone without a shield and with a shield equally effective.

PS: The 2h mace can be used with a shield so you fail anyway.

If you do have this opinion just play 1h with no shield. Its harder then playing with a shield i can promise cause i did it one gen.
You talk like everybody who is using a shield is doing it to make the game harder.

[Jarlek]

If you do have this opinion just play 1h with no shield. Its harder then playing with a shield i can promise cause i did it one gen.
You talk like everybody who is using a shield is doing it to make the game harder.

Someone here just fails at reading comprehension...

[rustyspoon]

If you do have this opinion just play 1h with no shield. Its harder then playing with a shield i can promise cause i did it one gen.
You talk like everybody who is using a shield is doing it to make the game harder.

I totally disagree with this actually. I find that I am WAY more effective without a shield.

[zagibu]

I'm glad that I'm not the only one seeing an issue here. Maybe lower the speed a bit and make it lighter to reduce knockdown chance? It would make sense that it's slower than weapons with a similar weight to length ratio, because the weight is mostly concentrated at the far end, leading to higher swing inertia.

I propose 95-97 speed and 2.3 - 2.5 kg weight, at a req of 9.