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Template 1H/shield
« on: February 12, 2011, 10:29:45 am »
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Hi

I would like to make a pure 1 handed /shield template  oriented damage. I think about this one but your opinion is important.

Level 30


Strength: 23
Agility: 15
Hit points: 72
Converted: 6
Ironflesh: 7
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 5
Athletics: 1
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 148
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1



I will be too slow or is good , ? i will make sufficient dammage ?


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Re: Template 1H/shield
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2011, 10:35:37 am »
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Its a good build but if you dont wear heavy armor , you shouldnt skill Ironflesh.
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Re: Template 1H/shield
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2011, 11:02:08 am »
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it would be better to sacrifice a bit of IF and invest it into 1 additional strength and powerstrike
but for sure - athletics 1 will kill you

in general when it comes to what is the best question for shielders i don't believe in str builds, i think balanced/higher agi are the way to go.
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Re: Template 1H/shield
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2011, 11:18:42 am »
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You need more athletics and shield skill, they are your most important skills, I would go for a 15/24 build if I were you.
8 shield and 8 athletics, 5 powerstrike, and as much weapon master as you can get afterwards.

You don't need ironflesh, you got your shield to protect you.
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Re: Template 1H/shield
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2011, 11:56:05 am »
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I dont know why I have to keep stressing this to people.

@Magikarp:  Weapon master is _useless_ past WM 4 or 5 unless you are planning to hybrid.

By level 30, WM 5 will get you around 150 WPF.  Even if you have WM 8 you are only looking at about a 20 point difference (not much faster to allow you to outspam someone with only 20 points less).  Much better to get the extra Power Strike so you can kill in 2 hits instead of having to hit someone 3 or more times.

Shield skill is also not as useful now that the forcefield is taken away, if a weapon is designed to break your shield or crushthrough, it will happen regardless.  If it is a sword or a piercing weapon not designed to break your shield, it wont happen.  That small HP bonus may make it survive a single hit more.  Stick with ~5 shield skill.

To OP: As mentioned, swap IF for Athletics though, because Athletics is needed (most 2 handers will back away and spam you, you need to be fast enough to press up against them). 

If you go higher STR, you will not only have the higher damage from PS but also more HP anyway, making IF somewhat moot.  The goal I would say is when you feel comfortable being able to kill most non-tincans in 2 hits and surviving at least 2 hits yourself, then your strength is high enough.

Honestly my 27/12 with 4 Athletics, 4 Shield, 4 WM and 9 Power Strike does beautifully.  I use a long weapon against 2 handers (sarranid cav or nordic champion), and a short weapon against other shielders (steel pick or broad axe).

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Re: Template 1H/shield
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2011, 12:53:34 pm »
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thanks for all your suggestion !

Athletic help me just to move faster or although to hit faster ??

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Re: Template 1H/shield
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2011, 01:06:46 pm »
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ps as many as u can... go for that..

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Re: Template 1H/shield
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2011, 01:24:27 pm »
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This is the best pure 1h+shield build in my opinion.

Level 31 (8 892 403 xp)

    * Strength: 18
    * Agility: 21
    * Hit points: 53

    * Converted: 6
    * Ironflesh: 0
    * Power Strike: 6
    * Shield: 6
    * Athletics: 7
    * Riding: 0
    * Horse Archery: 0
    * Power Draw: 0
    * Power Throw: 0
    * Weapon Master: 7

    * One Handed: 165

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Re: Template 1H/shield
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2011, 01:54:22 pm »
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thx punisher , with your build i think i can take all the armors , and i will hit fast ?  but did i will strike strong ?

Befor your post i was thinking about this one , but i may make mistake , so tell me (i am scared that with my build i will be a turtle ...)

level 30

Strength: 24
Agility: 15
Hit points: 59
Converted: 8
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 8
Shield: 5
Athletics: 5
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 148
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

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Re: Template 1H/shield
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2011, 02:19:35 pm »
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In my opinion for a 1H+shield, speed (both hitting and movement) is very important. With 21 agi you will have both (165 WPF and 7 ath) and I think 18 str/6 PS is enough. You won't 1hit enemies, but you will be fast enough to make up for it. And considering most 1h+shield go 15/21 you will still hit harder than the average.

With 18 str (well 16 actually) you can take any armor.

Your build is good if you like str builds, but it will be harder to play because you will be slow.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2011, 02:23:17 pm by Punisher »

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Re: Template 1H/shield
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2011, 02:45:43 pm »
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I've played various versions of strength, agility and balanced builds and imo, 5 athletics is a bare minimum.
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Re: Template 1H/shield
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2011, 03:16:36 pm »
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ok thanks all i wil adopt your template


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Re: Template 1H/shield
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2011, 04:21:50 pm »
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I'm new to this and still figuring things out. Thanks for the info here and in advance for my quesitons.

My first char is focusing on this (1h, shield, and agility focus). I'm trying to be fast and light.
Right now my stats are:

Level 26
    * Strength: 12
    * Agility: 19
 
    * Converted: 0
    * Ironflesh: 4
    * Power Strike: 4
    * Shield: 6
    * Athletics: 6
    * Weapon Master: 6

    * One Handed: 150

I was planning on getting AGI to 21, then build STR after that. Should I continue like this aiming for Punisher's build? I probably should have omitted the Ironflesh points, but didn't know what was best.

I'm using a Norman shield and Warhammer. I'm trying to keep only 1 weapon equipped to be light. Will carrying a sword that Z_E_N recommended for reach affect weight much?

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Re: Template 1H/shield
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2011, 05:39:05 pm »
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This is the best pure 1h+shield build in my opinion.

Level 31 (8 892 403 xp)

    * Strength: 18
    * Agility: 21
    * Hit points: 53

    * Converted: 6
    * Ironflesh: 0
    * Power Strike: 6
    * Shield: 6
    * Athletics: 7
    * Riding: 0
    * Horse Archery: 0
    * Power Draw: 0
    * Power Throw: 0
    * Weapon Master: 7

    * One Handed: 165

Looks good, but nearly everybody who reaches 31 retires... So what would you propose for a level 30 build? Power Strike of 6 isn't possible with only 17 Str, and Shield, Athletics and Weapon Master 7 aren't with 20 Agi...

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Re: Template 1H/shield
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2011, 07:01:08 pm »
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Looks good, but nearly everybody who reaches 31 retires... So what would you propose for a level 30 build? Power Strike of 6 isn't possible with only 17 Str, and Shield, Athletics and Weapon Master 7 aren't with 20 Agi...

Well, I'd say, remove 1 Weapon master and 1 shield and convert them. Or 2 weapon masters.