Helm's Deep suggestion thread

[CtrlAltDe1337]

Before I start seriously revising this map, I'd like some feedback and suggestions on how to fix it.  Right now it seems the flag is too far away, defenders rarely spawn on the Deeping Wall, and its rather difficult to attack.  Also, some of the doors break strangely.  Any feedback will be appreciated.

[Glaurung]

The main difficulty of this castle as an attacker, is that it takes you about 45 sec to just reach the walls. Then you have to somewhat fight your way into the bastion, while the defenders team spawn right inside it.

[zagibu]

The reason why defenders don't spawn on the deeping walls is probably because of how the siege scripts handles spawn points. The entry points on the deeping wall are all closer to attacker base (32) than defender base (0), so they will only rarely be used for defender spawning.

Otherwise I don't have many suggestions. Maybe add a second way into the inner castle, via siege ladder or something.

[Vexus]

You need to do 1 thing from these 2 or make both.

Either put the switch to open gate near the gate on the outer side not near flag or/and finish the passage of the wall before reaching the flag.

On the wall there's a path that leads to the mountains but it has invisible walls and is unfinished, say finishing the passage and make some stairs to reach it attackers would have a chance to reach the flag from the wall and from the entrance.

[CtrlAltDe1337]

There is no passage in the mountains...its blocked off because its not supposed to be part of the playable area   If I didn't put barriers you could run up most of the cliffs, especially with a horse.  And on this new version I removed the porcullis, so try it for a few rounds now and see if its too easy/hard.

[zagibu]

Try it where? The EU servers 5 and 6 have no custom maps at all, and admin of 4 doesn't seem to update the server anymore...

[Vexus]

There is no passage in the mountains...its blocked off because its not supposed to be part of the playable area   If I didn't put barriers you could run up most of the cliffs, especially with a horse.  And on this new version I removed the porcullis, so try it for a few rounds now and see if its too easy/hard.

No you got it wrong.

The wall before the flag room has a small tower which is blocked by the mountain (Not to go on top of the mountain) if the passage would be made walkable and a ladder or some stairs that reach this wall would be added it would make it more balanced for the attackers to be able to get to the flag.

A ladder or some stairs would be from ground floor to the wall not to the mountain so attackers could try go to the flag from the walls too not only from the entrance which is usually camped by defenders.

[justme]

closer spawn...
and fix issue with ladder, when the first wall is breached, u cant deploy ladders, they just get stucked atm..

[CtrlAltDe1337]

No you got it wrong.

The wall before the flag room has a small tower which is blocked by the mountain (Not to go on top of the mountain) if the passage would be made walkable and a ladder or some stairs that reach this wall would be added it would make it more balanced for the attackers to be able to get to the flag.

A ladder or some stairs would be from ground floor to the wall not to the mountain so attackers could try go to the flag from the walls too not only from the entrance which is usually camped by defenders.

Oh my mistake I thought you were referring to the opposite side (the right side if you are looking at it from attacker's perspective).  I'll keep that in mind as a possible future change.

[Azathoth]

mb just remove all doors? so attackers will have more time to take flag

[Dexxtaa]

Give the attackers more ladders on the walls.

That one dinky ass ladder gets the attackers killed, and frankly, no one uses it.

Having 3 or 4 gives the attackers a more viable option up those ladders (as it spreads the defenders up) and gives a better representation of the siege of Helms Deep.

[Nasturtium]

I have played this map now in high and low population and have several observations.

1. The breakable door that used to be a portcullis near the flag takes way too long to break and is not a viable option for attackers. I am not sure what you can do about this, removing the door might make it too easy. Until this issue is resolved the defenders really only need to worry about one choke-point.

2. Removing the main door in front of the flag, and the flag itself was a great idea!

 

[CtrlAltDe1337]

I have played this map now in high and low population and have several observations.

1. The breakable door that used to be a portcullis near the flag takes way too long to break and is not a viable option for attackers. I am not sure what you can do about this, removing the door might make it too easy. Until this issue is resolved the defenders really only need to worry about one choke-point.

2. Removing the main door in front of the flag, and the flag itself was a great idea!

I tried hacking down the new door on a local server and it came down fairly quickly for 1 guy...get 3 or 4 and I'd imagine it will come down quite fast.  I haven't gotten to play on the updated version yet; do defenders spawn on the deeping wall now?  I was hoping to make it harder to take the outer walls, but easier to breach the keep and get to the flag.  Let me know as you guys get more experience playing on it how the balance is.

[Felagunda]

The main difficulty of this castle as an attacker, is that it takes you about 45 sec to just reach the walls. Then you have to somewhat fight your way into the bastion, while the defenders team spawn right inside it.

Are you kidding about the spawn I spawn 1/2 the time on the walls surrounded by enemies lol play it more.  Worst is when you spawn by the door where the gate used to be and you can't even open it