Archery

[Rumblood]

Yeah there is something buggy, where the arrow went through the head hit box and hit the body hit box behind it.

Actually, it doesn't have to go through the head hit box. It registers a hit at the front edge of the body hit box, but the graphic of the arrow after it hits is displayed from the center of the body hit box, which displaces it a couple inches visually, which makes it look like it passed through the head to get there.

[Loki]

I've actually had this happen a whole slew of times.  Most of the time the arrow just passes right through the head without registering a hit, othertimes it will go through the head and hit the shoulder or neck.

[Diomedes]

I'm thinking of making an archer character to test the whole thing out.  I've never been an archer before so I won't have any strong preconceptions about what their power should be.  Does anyone know a good build that I should go for?  I really know nothing about building an archer character.

[Magikarp]

Archers are in a perfect state right now, now too powerful but not useless either.

[Rumblood]

I'm thinking of making an archer character to test the whole thing out.  I've never been an archer before so I won't have any strong preconceptions about what their power should be.  Does anyone know a good build that I should go for?  I really know nothing about building an archer character.

I tried a Ath 8 WM 8 PD 5 PS 5 build that was really accurate and fast, but I was frustrated by the lack of stopping power. So Im going the opposite now with Athletics 5 WM 5 PD 8 and PS 8. It still has enough accuracy and the stopping power is great. The drawback is you only get 25 WPF in a melee weapon, but with PS 8, you only need one hit oftentimes 

[Rogue_Eagle]

I'd rather they made archers a  bit harder to use and gave them a huge damage buff to compensate.

[corto]

i'm with magicarp - its fine at the moment.

but what i miss is a changelog or just some infos about the effect of Powerdraw (it reduced wpf in the last c-rpg version - does it still do so?)

i really dont want to check it out by messing my build away from accuracy to damage - that does not really exist because u dont hit shit and so the dmg isnt dealt...
I am at 5 Pdraw and its fine but a bit weak against armor... so help me out and tell me your experiences with pdraw since the patch.

edith: i see 2 posts earlier someone made it - thx for that 

[Z_E_N]

The only input I have on this...

A great player should be able to top the scoreboard no matter what build he uses.  You know all the famous players already I'm sure.

I see great 1h/shielders top scoreboards.
I see 2h/polearms top scoreboards.
I see cavs top scoreboards.

However, all the famous archers are suddenly no longer topping the scoreboard ever using pure archery...so it's probably a bit underbalanced. 

[bruce]

A great player should be able to top the scoreboard no matter what build he uses.

I haven't seen pure 1h no shield dagger users top the scoreboard, I haven't seen a pure staffman top the scoreboard, hell I haven't seen a pure thrower without a melee weapon top the scoreboard often, or a pure crossbow without melee weapon, I haven't seen a pure pitchforker top the scoreboard, I didn't see any 3/40 agi builds top the scoreboard, etc... I'm going to have to disagree with you there ;)

Anyway, I have seen archers postpatch on top of the scoreboard - the ones which in addition to shooting also know how to melee (or in really archer-heaven maps) as well.

[Korgoth]

I haven't seen a pure pitchforker top the scoreboard,

Clearly You haven't played a lot with Tai Feng.

He has topped the board with a Pitch Fork before. But it was a Military Fork

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[Z_E_N]

I haven't seen pure 1h no shield dagger users top the scoreboard, I haven't seen a pure staffman top the scoreboard, hell I haven't seen a pure thrower without a melee weapon top the scoreboard often, or a pure crossbow without melee weapon, I haven't seen a pure pitchforker top the scoreboard, I didn't see any 3/40 agi builds top the scoreboard, etc... I'm going to have to disagree with you there ;)

Anyway, I have seen archers postpatch on top of the scoreboard - the ones which in addition to shooting also know how to melee (or in really archer-heaven maps) as well.

Sorry bruce, but your argument is off.

I was specifying equipment _types_, not specific gear.  Obviously someone running around in joke gear isn't going to top the scoreboard.

When an entire weapon group put into the hands of a great player who is playing seriously cant manage to be on the top, then its definately underpowered a little.

And I have seen pure throwers top the leaderboards; but it doesn't happen often because of the ammo limitation.  Native_ATS comes to mind.   

[bruce]

When an entire weapon group put into the hands of a great player who is playing seriously cant manage to be on the top, then its definately underpowered a little.

But I topped the scoreboard now and then with my archer and with my crossbowman - and I'm not really some pro player. Sure thing, most of the kills were in melee, with some ranged kills (or wounding people, more common thing), but I'm sure you see where the problem is if you can top the scoreboards with just a bow/crossbow. This isn't native, ranged aren't restricted to using silly onehanders with low to no powerstrike.

And I'd say it was easier to get kills on the whole as a hybrid ranged + melee then pure melee (with shield to "protect" from ranged), from my experience.

[Patricia]

The only input I have on this...

A great player should be able to top the scoreboard no matter what build he uses.  You know all the famous players already I'm sure.

I see great 1h/shielders top scoreboards.
I see 2h/polearms top scoreboards.
I see cavs top scoreboards.

However, all the famous archers are suddenly no longer topping the scoreboard ever using pure archery...so it's probably a bit underbalanced.

One thing you have to understand is Topping the scoreboard =/= balance, I once topped a scoreboard with a wooden practice sword, does it makes the wooden practice sword overpowered? Not so much.

I've saw Qaki top the scoreboard on a couple of occasions and he's an archer.

[EponiCo]

I have some screens with archers or crossbowmen topping the scoreboards.
If I hadn't formated I'd also have screens of throwers without melee weapon topping the scoreboard. Whether they carry a axe or sword or just have the ps to pick one up on the floor doesn't interest me. They can do it easily. A pure ranger relying on camping or running for defence shouldn't kill many people easily (he can endanger you always, but often you are in no position to get him).

[Murchad]

archers are not underpowered in the least.
you do have to make comprimises in other areas to make them really powerful and heirlooming helps alot.  you have to have them balanced to the best possible archer.

something similar to this
level 35
27/18
9pd
5ps
6ath
6wm
warbow Gen3= 61spd 54shspd 30cut 98acc
bodkin arrows Gen3= 9pierce 19ammo

I don't want them to buff archers only to nerf them again when someone reaches the peak of archers