Faction attacking own Fief to prevent counter attack

[Mannhammer]

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The perfect defense is a good offence?
So it seems that a faction can attack their own fief. Thereby, perpetually preventing an attack from a foe.
Will this glitch will break Strat?

[Matey]

its a feature!
the idea is, since you cant change fief ownership.. you would have to attack the guy to get the fief from him... it is exploitable in terms of locking down fiefs, but mostly its just a bug right now where people are unintentionally attacking fiefs they just took. either way... an easy fix is to make it impossible to attack your own fiefs, and if a member of your faction goes rogue with a fief, just boot him from the faction and then attack it.

[joespose]

most  village attacks has automatically made a second attack after they win the fight anyway. people aren't intentionally doing it

[Mannhammer]

it is exploitable in terms of locking down fiefs

After a year of playing strat I've learned that any glitch/feature that can be exploited will be exploited to the ruination of the game. I just wanted to bring attention to this in a vain attempt to have it remedied before a plague scours the land.

an easy fix is to make it impossible to attack your own fiefs, and if a member of your faction goes rogue with a fief, just boot him from the faction and then attack it.

This is a simple and elegant solution to the problem. Expect it in 6 to 9 months.

 

[bredeus]

If you wish to give a fief to other member of a Faction its the only way nowadays

[Gheritarish le Loki]

After a year of playing strat I've learned that any glitch/feature that can be exploited will be exploited to the ruination of the game. I just wanted to bring attention to this in a vain attempt to have it remedied before a plague scours the land.

You become a little bit paranoid, you see exploit everywhere! this is a bug dammit!!

[Rhygar666]

this is a bug dammit!!

its not a bug its a feature

[Thovex]

I'd rather have it to take a day to switch fief ownership, or accepted by both parties or something.

[Harpag]

After a year of playing strat I've learned that any glitch/feature that can be exploited will be exploited to the ruination of the game. I just wanted to bring attention to this in a vain attempt to have it remedied before a plague scours the land.
This is a simple and elegant solution to the problem. Expect it in 6 to 9 months.

If you want to avoid this  glitch / exploit  - during the first attack on a location, set your army on the march in any direction. If you do not, the next attack will be made ​​automatically and you lose 24 hours of upkeep. Unfortunately tested in practice 

PS. Overzealous is worse than fascism.

[Krakatit]

bump

someone might want to read this thread...

[Slamz]

The problem is this:
How do you fix it?

Scenario:
Army #1 attacks a town at 4:30pm
Army #2 wants to attack the same town at 4:35pm

Saying "you can't attack your own faction" solves nothing since Army #1 can just quit the faction prior to attacking.

Scheduling both battles to occur would be a bad idea -- Army #1 could be a legitimate attack on the town and if they win, and the second battle starts up immediately afterwards, they would have had no time to setup their roster.


One solution would be for the devs to declare it against the rules and police it.  (They have not declared it against the rules.  Attacking with a wizard is not the same thing as declaring it against the rules.  There should be a sticky post saying "Do not do the following things".)


Another solution:
Attacks cost gold.  This gold vanishes and is lost forever.  Widows and orphans fund.

Army vs army: attacker pays 500 gold
Army vs village: attacker pays 5000 gold
Army vs castle: attacker pays 8000 gold
Army vs town: attacker pays 10000 gold

Or maybe the cost could be population based.  Army vs army could be based on population + number of crates, so if you want to cockblock attackers going for your caravan with 49 troops and 500 crates, it'll cost ya.

Then "delaying actions" become a perfectly valid part of the game.  It's just that every time you do it, it will cost you some non-trivial amount of money.  If anything, my suggested values are probably a bit low.  10,000 gold to attack a village sounds perfectly doable to me and I'm sure my clan, with 12 people in it, is not among the richest.  I could see someone shelling out 10,000 gold to do a delaying action, but it's not something they would want to keep doing every day, especially if the attackers started moving against more than one village.

[Gheritarish le Loki]

The problem is this:
How do you fix it?

Send flying carpet with fire staff.

[Slamz]

Send flying carpet with fire staff.

That's fine as long as they do that every time.  No exceptions.  5am on a Tuesday?  Someone needs to log in with the magic carpet and fire staff.  Rules must be consistent.

[chadz]

we'll figure out a way.

Meanwhile, it can cause weird results trying to abuse/exploit this mechanic and is therefore not allowed.

[Lennu]

we'll figure out a way.

Meanwhile, it can cause weird results trying to abuse/exploit this mechanic and is therefore not allowed.

You should have said that 3 weeks ago. But at least now we know what these "weird" results are 

But really. This tread was completely ignored untill Loki "gave it a free bumb" by preventing 3000man army from attacking a helpless village and openly admitting that he used this spesific bug so it would be noticed?  Now the whole Occitan clan+allies AND the Fallen clan+allies had to suffer 

Maybe instead of attacking the village to transfer the ownership, both the current AND the future fief-owner would have to be inside it? Once they both are inside, a high'rank (maybe the faction leader only?) player from the clan or the current owner of the village could transfer the ownership. This would make fief ownership transferring relatively slow, but also a bit more realistic.