A few things that should be considered as a must-do for the next patch or so

[Gnjus]

you wanna play a ranged game go play CoD

Is that so, Einstein ? 

[Beauchamp]

if we'd remove every good feature from the game just because some people are retarded and aren't using them correctly. how the game would look in the end? like some wow crazy shit, no thx...

[Gnjus]

if we'd remove every good feature from the game just because some people are retarded and aren't using them correctly. how the game would look in the end? like some wow crazy shit, no thx...

Define good features. And don't forget: i'm talking about battle servers only, since i never play siege. Maybe i should of said it in the beginning but i think its common knowledge.

[Tai Feng]

If you like to play chasing games i advice you to take your friends (presuming you have any) to some park and try it out there. Its much more healthier and fun then virtual running around after people you don't even know.

And if you like wrestling games then go wrestling. Same thing.

I've bolded out the key parts for you. Try reading it with understanding before you post such things again.

You look at the situation from a biased point of view which is: "I am in plate, with heavy shield, using 1H short weapon. I am the honorable Paladin that seeks duels 1 on 1 and everything that exploits my weakness is not allowed." I've seen it in other games too, and it reminds me of "Wammo", a Warrior/Monk class from Guild Wars.

I mean, when I go polearm without the shield I could say the same: "Hey dear archers, stop shooting at me, it's not fair. Take out your melee weapon and wait for me."

Or when two-handers others run into you they could say: "Lower your shield so we can have a fair battle". Would you do that? Do you do that? Of course not.



You want someone else to abandon the advantage his build gives to him, only because in your mind there is purely arbitrary classification of his playstyle being "dishonorable". Just as crossbows in medieval Europe, which were not allowed to be used against other Christians, simply because knights in shiny armor did not like the idea of counter-weapon.

Define good features.

Those that enrich the game. Archers and other ranged were part of the medieval warfare. And so were hit-and-run tactics, guerrilla warfare, hiding, ambushing, roofs etc. How strong these should be is a matter of game balance but whether they can flee or not, is arbitrary.

[Gnjus]

You cracked like a popcorn.

First: I'm not biased and i never wrote that archers shouldn't shoot at me. I'd say "dont write rubbish" but this is the forum so if it makes you happy....go on. You have quite a history of it.

Second: i never said archers should abandon their "advantages" (if you consider glitching, roof camping and retarded-looking ladders-in-the-air-stacking as their advantages feel free but some of us still believe this can be corrected), i said they should stop running like shitheads and trying to avoid the inevitable. Hit and run tactics ? Sure. Having no melee wep equiped ? Sure. Running away from the gank ? I dont think so. I stayed among the last people alive more then anyone around here and i never ran. Backpedaling - yes. Staying behind obstacles while i reload - yes. Waiting for the gankers on some easier-to-defend spot - yes. Trying to take down as many of 'em as you can - yes. Running away ? No. If ganking is inevitable just go with it. Prolonging the round and making 100 people spectate you running away from the fight (wether your the last man alive or not) is NOT right and it will never be, no matter your attempts to disguise it as "tactics". We are here to play a fighting game, not chasing around the villages.

Third: i replied to Khorin and Beauchamp, i didnt ask for your opinion. I believe they are intelligent enough to answer on themselves, they don't need a lawyer to answer instead of 'em. (If they do im sure they'll rather pick Ujin, i heard his good at it).

Fourth: leaving your group on skype without saying a word is a dickhead move, no matter the reasons. If you cant get along with someone you say it out loud, you dont just leave without a single word of explanation. If we cant find an agreement on something (and no, there wasnt any argument) we go split ways. This is the maximum level of discussion im gonna make with such a person, you can reply to my posts as much as you like but for me whatever you write here does not exist.

[BattalGazi]

One of the things i liked about this game is the reachability of every rooftop which i believe to increase the dimension of the game map. So i think that ladders and rooftop reachability should stay for the next patch as it increases the reality. Although i'm a 1h + shield infantry and hate rooftop archers, i like the idea of their existence in the game.

[Sir_Ironlake]

I fully agree with Gnjus.

The ladders making house roof sniper spots REDUCE the fun of the game.



All archer related tactics boil down to - get up to a roof. Who can fight them then - only (practialy) other archers.

No melee protecting archers needed. No cav being good vs. archers. Only archer v. archer.

Its silly, and reduces tactics that can be employed. Please remove it.

[zagibu]

Just make friendly ladders indectructible, and the problem is solved. It might lead to a few people getting trapped, but it would also make sure that every archer on every rooftop can be killed by melee.

[Prpavi]

well maybe if the ladders on battle were indestructible that might help this situation

[Tai Feng]

Ad hominems are pointless. You can put "Hell is other people" as your sig if you want though.

i never wrote that archers shouldn't shoot at me.

Of course. You only said "It's ok if archers shoot at me as long as I'm in my plate and have huscarl shield right in front of me."

But if archer wants to change his position so that he can crossfire at you with other archers, then that's bad.

Second: i never said archers should abandon their "advantages" (if you consider glitching, roof camping and retarded-looking ladders-in-the-air-stacking as their advantages feel free but some of us still believe this can be corrected), i said they should stop running like shitheads and trying to avoid the inevitable.

In other words, you want archers to abandon their advantages. You just don't like to say it so directly.

An advantage of archer is when he can take higher position for safety and higher damage. An advantage of archer is to change position so he can crossfire at infantry with other archer. An advantage of archer is to avoid melee with his light armor and athletics, just as an advantage of a horse is to outrun infantry instead of going into melee with a pikeman.

The advantage of archer *is not* shooting at plate people, especially those with huscarl shield.


In other words, you are OK with disadvantages of archers, but not ok with advantages.

I stayed among the last people alive more then anyone around here and i never ran.

Having crossbow on your back, plate, shield and 1H weapon - pretty much means you can't run.

Equip light armor, no shield. Then don't run. I'd really like to see that.

If ganking is inevitable just go with it. Prolonging the round and making 100 people spectate

We are talking about situations where ganking is not inevitable and these situations bother you.
The lone archer on the roof just doesn't happen because it results in admin kick, general poll, or is otherwise an exception.

If archer in an average game runs away from "inevitable ganking" and you don't catch him, then ganking wasn't inevitable. He probably also bought time for his team while you're chasing him - even if he doesn't kill you. In other words - tactic which resulted in you not killing anyone while running after him, while otherwise you might've killed someone. The fact that you complain about him running also means that his tactic is effective more than just mere prolonging of the round.

Third: i replied to Khorin and Beauchamp, i didnt ask for your opinion. I believe they are intelligent enough to answer on themselves

This is a forum thread not a private conversation.

Fourth: leaving your group on skype without saying a word is a dickhead move, no matter the reasons. If you cant get along with someone you say it out loud, you dont just leave without a single word of explanation. If we cant find an agreement on something (and no, there wasnt any argument) we go split ways.

There wasn't any argument, nor is there any need of it now, which is why I didn't comment on it. I'm not a huge fan of these groups, nor of ts lately, so I don't really stay in each much, if at all. I just don't have time for it. I reply to priv msgs of course or direct msgs of any kind. And yes when I say I don't have time that includes forum too where I'm going to (or should at least) lower participation as well, which I do every now and then. I do such things silently as much as possible, it is simply my way, both online and IRL.

[Welcome_To_Hell]

A Must do for the next patch or so? I think not.

[AgentQ]

Make cav playable!!!

[Leshma]

What's wrong with cavalry?

Few days ago I've played as cav and did pretty good considering that I'm not very good with lance.

[Stormcrow]

 Make throw wpf actually increase acuracy, not power throw. Increasing power throw should make your accuracy worse so that you need to compensate by spending wps on throwing. Thus increasing the amount of agility you need and as a result this reduces your strenth and power throw. I think that this would help balance throwing which currently seems OP but really just needs to be intertwind with agility.

Basically a player will need both agi and strength to be any good, kinda like how in archery you cant be all strentgh
and be very useful

[Stormcrow]

Cavalry also needs some tweaking. As of right now they cant attack anyone who is paying attention(except maybe peasants). This leads to them galloping away from any potential fight trying to fing someone who is afk or has their back turned. I think horses need higher health and armour and need to be cheaper.