Plz Stop this pewpew madness without overnerfing it.

[Kophka]

Archers were a danger even when all the bows except longbow just did cut damage.

Just the sheer volume of fire and accuracy of arrows meant that good archers could often carry a team, while bad archers were a distraction, with the lucky kill thrown in sometimes.

Now that every bow can 2 shot people in less than 50 armor, and with the speed and accuracy of bows paired with the numerous hidey holes and perch spots that take time to reach while being shot on 90% of the maps mean that it's simple for an archer-heavy team to clear the field in minutes. Any shot that finds it's way around a shield or into an unshielded person is lethal or near lethal, which is very realistic, and logical.

As much as I enjoy that realism and logic, it has completely broken balance. Things were much more balanced when all bows but longbow did cut damage. Good archers were still terrors, and bad archers could hurt you.

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

Lot of people, including myself, have notice a strong increase in archers lately, and I, myself like to take my archer when ever i feel lazy, tired. Just need to aim and click and sit back.

Dont get me wrong, a basic archer alone isnt  overpowered.
but the mass of them together just negates all classes on the battlefield. the fact they can acces to roofs and break the ladders forbids any retaliation, and they only have to fear other range. you cant do anything about them and wait to the end of the round that an admin tells them to get down

another thing is the damage they deal
I remember Paul showing us stats about how efficient a 6 pd archer was saying that you'need more then (about, can really remember) 4 shots in best case scenario to kill a medium armor guy.
I dont know how you'v done your calculation but something must be wrong. the difference in between theory and practice is way different, succombing to two arrows in the bottom of the body in loomed mail and plate and decent if (that is 5 imo), i take more damage from range then anything else.
sometimes i get wounded for "only" 25% of my hp, i pass from a state of shock to a state of happyness where i feel like dancing around my polearm. but how come that archer damages less then the regular ones? looms? bodkins?

oh and please dont say the "get a shield argument " thats will just show your a git with no understandng of the problem

[Tears of Destiny]

Get a shield you scrub.

[Gorath]

Get shot around, through and over an overnerfed shield you scrub.

Fixed

[Chico]

Lower prices of plate armor and buff ironflesh.

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

start by removing ladders from battle.

[Leshma]

I would prefer hybrid archers instead of those ak-47 archers. Give them melee ability back (make bastard swords one slot and lower wpp cost if going archery/melee hybrid) but make arrows deal laughable damage.

[Okkam]

No. Better give all 2H free 0 slot steel shields, but make swords deal laughable damage.

[Leshma]

Swords already deal little to no damage compared to bodkin arrows...

[Okkam]

That's why I see something like 30\2 from good 2H players?


Leshma - you are Michael N2. seriously.

[Kafein]

Bolded part is the true problem. The very, very big problem. Making it better for archers to take some melee capabilities would fix so much.

This please. Nerf archery damage ( slightly) but reduce the distance damage reduction, and make it a lot more viable as melee.

I think the wpf curve of ranged classes should have it's cost-efficiency peak around 100 wpf. The accuracy at that level should be roughly that of the current 120 wpf, and any further points should give much smaller bonuses. That way, most archers would go 100-120 wpf in archery, the rest in some melee class.

Furthermore, skills like PT, PS and PD should have a degressive bonus : the first one is big and each additionnal point gives less than the previous one. That way it would actually be a good idea to go 5PS 6PD or whatever.

[Penitent]

I dont know guys, I think the poll speaks for itself.

Is archery fine the way it is?

54.4% say:
yeah, everything is fine.
Yeah, everything is fine but longbow needs some love.
Ihatearchers.rage.qq.com (sarcastic response I'm assuming).

45.5% say:
No, something needs to be changed. There is too many archers using bodkins.
No, something needs to be changed. All archers are OP.
No, something needs to be changed. Archers hit like a truck. QQ
 
Moral of the story: bring a shield, bring a siege shield or hide behind someone else who has the foresight to do so.  ;)

Archers are pretty balanced, and they do best against 2h/pole users...which is probably the majority of the player base.  They are designed to kill ppl without a shield, so don't become a statistic.  "Well" you may say, "if archers are well equipped to be the bane of the majority of the crpg player-base...how can they possible be balanced?"  Well, because they are such, if creates a demand for shielders and shield walls.  If we nerf archery, shield users become less important...so we end up nerfing those too.  Their strength (nullifying ranged) becomes less valuable.  Archers must remain deadly so that other classes retain their importance as well.

I'm a multi-gen shielder and I also bring a siege shield most of the time for my ignorant/squishy teamies.  I've never had a problem with archers.  Yes, I die to them sometimes, but its the least of my worries.  I don't see archers as OP at all..but since other people do, it gives me a sense of purpose and importance, thereby increasing fun!

So, as a shielder, leave archers alone.

[Memento_Mori]

Get rid of unbalanced, hill, random roof top, village maps.
Get rid of ladders in battle.
Get normal maps where camping locations have more than ONE way up and are easily accessible without lucky jumps onto barrels or what not and then onto rooftops.


IMO ranged classes are fine, but the above things are a little frustrating.

[Zisa]

Get rid of unbalanced, hill, random roof top, village maps.
Get rid of ladders in battle.
Get normal maps where camping locations have more than ONE way up and are easily accessible without lucky jumps onto barrels or what not and then onto rooftops.


IMO ranged classes are fine, but the above things are a little frustrating.

+1
most rage really is from these sources.

[Fraemi]

+1
most rage really is from these sources.

I agreed for the most part and didn't feel particularly moved, but then I read all the text on left, laughed and gave a +1 to both you and him.