24/18 vs 21/21

[BlackMilk]

which one is better? Pure 2h with Athletics and PS outmaxed. Rather go for 8 PS or for 7 Athletics?

[Mihilist]

My main uses 7 ath at 30 and it is a ton of fun with 6 PS, you can go to 7PS at 31 if you forgo IF.  If you use the higher damaging 2 handed weapons 6PS is more than enough, you might want higher PS though if you're going to use the swords and want more out of your thrust.

Once I have a MW weapon I'll probably try 5PS and 8th...7 ath with a Great Maul is pretty fun too

[BlackMilk]

Ah, forgot to add this :
build now (at level 30) is 21/18 with 4 if and 5 wpm.
Weapon is a MW German Greatsword

[Mihilist]

Sorry didn't realize you were already at 30.  If your shots are glancing now or if you take more hits than you'd like to kill most people go for more PS.  If you feel you're fine in combat as is now the little extra speed increase only helps in footwork.  With the higher ath you can land some back peddling shots that a lot of people don't expect or maneuver around them so their blocks are negated.

[Vibe]

I finally hit lvl 30 3 days ago, I'm using 18/21 build and my final change was from 6ath to 7ath and I must admit, the difference in movement speed was HUGE (atleast that's how it felt).

[wayyyyyne]

If I had to choose between one of those builds I'd go for the 21/21 build since anything below 7 ATH feels like wheelchairmod for me.

But keep in mind that the amount of WPF you would sacrafice for the extra powerstrike equals its potential gain when converting 14 skill points in comparison to a 18/21 build at the loss of 3IF i.e 6 hp . And I did the maths (go ahead, try it out yourself with vargas toolkit).

So: neither of them and either go for 18/21 or 21/18

[Teeth]

To me 6 athlethics is just enough. 5 is too low, 6 is fine. 7 powerstrike is also fine. I was wondering the same thing, but I think 21/21 would be my pick. Not sure why, I feel kinda sluggish now, 7 athlethics give you just a bit more control in a group fight.

[Senni__Ti]

i'm 24 18 if that helps :L
6 ath and wm is still enough to fight and duel the faster chars, even fighting ninjas

21 21 wouldn't be a bad option either

oh yh almost forgot 24 18 is done (-IF) at 31, 21 21 isn't quite complete till 32
21 21 has ~ 5 less health than 24 18 at lvl 32, up to you how much thats worth

[Corwin]

I'll go with 18/24, trust me, it's a killer build.

[Smoothrich]

30/9
27/12
24/15
weapon master is trash

difference between 0 WM and 7 WM is liek 30 wpp = .02 second difference in swing speed

max iron flesh and PS

4-5 athletics is more then enough to fight in any battle as long as you can block

[Apsod]

The diference is 420 WPF, but if you put everything into one type, like 2h. The difference is 52 wpf, which means you will hit 26% faster. That is if 1 wpf = 0,5% speed bonus. That is what I have heard it is, it might be wrong tho.

[Siiem]

18/24!

[Corrado_Decimo]

which one is better? Pure 2h with Athletics and PS outmaxed. Rather go for 8 PS or for 7 Athletics?

24/18 for the extra 5hp (assuming IF) and extra 8 damage (particularily welcome on a morningstar) and to be slightly less mobile than with 7ATH.

i mean 6ath for a 17kgs armor is more than enough... but you need to consider all your load. if you plan to maul often, 21/21 is funny. for a greataxe or morningstar, i really found 21/18 and 24/15 with max if, to be the best ways to go. and i retired to almost all 2h STR/AGI ratios. 27/12 in siege rocks, 21/18 is more viable to avoid being ganked.

[Corrado_Decimo]

The diference is 420 WPF, but if you put everything into one type, like 2h. The difference is 52 wpf, which means you will hit 26% faster. That is if 1 wpf = 0,5% speed bonus. That is what I have heard it is, it might be wrong tho.

And that's false. from waltf4 tests, from 0 to 140 wpf (effective, no armor) there is a 10-11% swing speed bonus. that mean a fast weapon will be faster, a slow weapon benefit less.

[hippy_with_a_scimi]

18-24 represent!