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[Vibe]

Aye, I've argued with countless players with the same critique over TOR on its own forums, but here I shall break part of my NDA to shed some light (Hopefully) upon what TOR brings us.

If you have played Mass Effect or Baldur's Gate, you'll eventually find out that the same rich storyline and companions are going to be inside TOR, and does it not bring anything new to the table?

My answer is:
Understand that the battle and system are, indeed, somewhat similar to WoW, but what interests me and many other BioWare fans are not the battle system or end game operations or whatever. It is the compelling storytelling and companionship and choices that are rather not a bonus to the game, but what defines the game itself.

TOR offers 8 classes, and stories often left my eyes wide open in awe as I could have never expected what my choices would leave me to. (Damn you, beta testing! It's such a irresistible spoiler!)
Ex: Imperial Agents change their voices whenever under cover and progressing through the story, your Jedi Knight can fall in love and become a dark Jedi, and so on..

As you stated: "SW:ToR might have a storyline and a few funky features, but in it's core it's still the same old same old select target spam hotkey combat, with raiding/gearing up your char as endgame and meaningless PvP..."

I disagree, as I perceive it the other way around, TOR offered us countless features that other MMOs do not have, and the combat system or gearing up your character for endgame is not the main focus of this game.

Yet it depends from person to person, since you have mentioned Jedi Outcast/Academy inside a M&B mod forum, I can only guess you value player skills more than player-character skills, which is fine with me.

I value storytelling and RP that often left me a warm-fuzzy feel inside my stomach over any gameplay system.

Yes, I admit I value unique gameplay, combat system, meaningful PvP and mostly sandboxness much more than the story. In those departments SW:ToR does not seem to be very creative. I enjoyed Baldur's Gate (Icewind Dale, Planescape: Torment) and Mass Effect games A LOT, but nowadays I'm seeking something that will keep me hooked even when the story gets drained out.

Since you said that gearing up is not the point of the game, I will ask you this: What will players who focus on only one character do when that char runs out of story? We all know the story is not endless. I doubt everyone will want to RP. In the end it will end up as just another gear grinder.

An MMO needs something to keep players wanting to play their character, and a good story is not enough for that.

But that is just my assumption.

[Kenji]

Yes, I admit I value unique gameplay, combat system, meaningful PvP and mostly sandboxness much more than the story. In those departments SW:ToR does not seem to be very creative. I enjoyed Baldur's Gate (Icewind Dale, Planescape: Torment) and Mass Effect games A LOT, but nowadays I'm seeking something that will keep me hooked even when the story gets drained out.

Since you said that gearing up is not the point of the game, I will ask you this: What will players who focus on only one character do when that char runs out of story? We all know the story is not endless. I doubt everyone will want to RP. In the end it will end up as just another gear grinder.

An MMO needs something to keep players wanting to play their character, and a good story is not enough for that.

But that is just my assumption.

Normally it takes one or two pages on TOR Forums before someone brings up that the story isn't endless and what difference does it make when it comes to the end .

But, still, you hit it hard, and I cannot give you any definitive answers yet because of the new beta testing phase that just started and wiped our progress anew.

Never even had the chance to reach end-game for the past few weeks since I had so many alts and alignments, and I have only spent enough time for a casual gamer.

Back to the good ol' saying: Keep speculating, and wait 'til 12/20/11 before any judgments are made

[Vibe]

Normally it takes one or two pages on TOR Forums before someone brings up that the story isn't endless and what difference does it make when it comes to the end .

But, still, you hit it hard, and I cannot give you any definitive answers yet because of the new beta testing phase that just started and wiped our progress anew.

Never even had the chance to reach end-game for the past few weeks since I had so many alts and alignments, and I have only spent enough time for a casual gamer.

Back to the good ol' saying: Keep speculating, and wait 'til 12/20/11 before any judgments are made

Indeed, speculating is the only thing we can do. But the statement that story will run out is very much true. It can last a month or even 3 months (or even a week for no-lifers?).. but after that one asks himself... what else does ToR have that others don't?

I'm not trying to say that ToR is as generic as for example Rift is... but the core gameplay is the same. Everquest (or even Ultima Online, even though it is still a different game) started this trend, WoW polished it and made it widely accessible and now 7+ years later I think people are starting to get fed up with it... atleast I am.

That being said I believe ToR will still be able to mantain a huge playerbase, mostly due to the Star Wars theme, Biowär, Story and who knows what else. But for anyone who is bored of the genre (like me) it's back to the "next-gen MMO" waiting line.
Imho, they really should add something to make the game anything other than the standard endgame gear/pvp grind. Like sandbox elements, building guild bases, territory control... the options are many.

Also (this is only my dream however), why oh why don't they take the risk and implement lightsaber combat like in Jedi Knight series... why always the same hotkey combat system... Even Age of Conan's buggy action-wannabe system is better. Just anything that isn't hotkey.

One can only wait and hope.

[Kenji]

One can only wait and hope, indeed.

I'm stressing whether I should break my NDA further or not...

About the Guild Bases...

Nah.

[Vibe]

One can only wait and hope, indeed.

I'm stressing whether I should break my NDA further or not...

About the Guild Bases...

Nah.

Do not worry, you do not sound like a fanboy and it is a pleasure replying to your posts. I just expressed my concerns of the game being generic. Does not mean I gave up on it. When I get to test it (some friends already preordered, I will get access sooner or later) and if I deem it worthy, they can have all my euros.

[LordBerenger]

Oh no, identity theft alert! I knew posting personal images online is a grave mistake!

Lol, I am, indeed, located in California, but moved from Riverside to San Diego two years ago.

Move to LA and get involved in gangsta activities!

[Leesin]

And guess what, my friend? I am a beta tester (Still active!), as well.

Here's an image of my invitation on hotmail

Gaze upon my invite and despair!

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All I can tell you is, it's not sh*t, but the grandest MMO of all times.

It's just another 'modern' MMORPG, all the same crappy combat, the last one that was the "Grandest MMORPG" of all times ( before EA ruined it ) was Ultima Online and that had only a back story and no actual story you played through, and that was a decade ago, but it had the best PvP fights I've ever experienced in an MMORPG.

 When I play an MMORPG I couldn't give a shit about the story tbh and neither do alot of people I know, if I wanted to play a story based game I'd play a singleplayer one, playing online with people would tell me that the games biggest features are meant to be multiplayer ones, i.e PvP, getting better gear to fight with etc. If that fails then I'd rather read a book for a story than force myself to grind through a run of the mill modern day MMORPG just to hear a story.

Yes my opinion is probably biased, but there are many people who feel the same as I do about all of these MMORPGs released nowadays, they're all the same, sugar coated turds wrapped in different coloured ribbons and sadly it seems nothing about TOR makes it any different than the rest. This is probably just a game for the big big star wars fans as my friend put it, most other people are going to get bored of it or just wont play it at all after trying it out due to the crappy combat.

[Kenji]

It's just another 'modern' MMORPG, all the same crappy combat, the last one that was the "Grandest MMORPG" of all times ( before EA ruined it ) was Ultima Online and that had only a back story and no actual story you played through, and that was a decade ago, but it had the best PvP fights I've ever experienced in an MMORPG.

 When I play an MMORPG I couldn't give a shit about the story tbh and neither do alot of people I know, if I wanted to play a story based game I'd play a singleplayer one, playing online with people would tell me that the games biggest features are meant to be multiplayer ones, i.e PvP, getting better gear to fight with etc. If that fails then I'd rather read a book for a story than force myself to grind through a run of the mill modern day MMORPG just to hear a story.

Yes my opinion is probably biased, but there are many people who feel the same as I do about all of these MMORPGs released nowadays, they're all the same, sugar coated turds wrapped in different coloured ribbons and sadly it seems nothing about TOR makes it any different than the rest. This is probably just a game for the big big star wars fans as my friend put it, most other people are going to get bored of it or just wont play it at all after trying it out due to the crappy combat.

I will always welcome a good, healthy discussion, but your dead-end thinking allowed me naught and gave me space none.

I'll not waste my time responding you in full, for nothing is certain until the release date. Come back and insult the game and its fans after it is out, please.

Do not worry, you do not sound like a fanboy and it is a pleasure replying to your posts. I just expressed my concerns of the game being generic. Does not mean I gave up on it. When I get to test it (some friends already preordered, I will get access sooner or later) and if I deem it worthy, they can have all my euros.

The pleasure is all mine, and the concerns are justified as I have had them, as well, in the past.

My problems are solved for me and myself alone, but how will the mass look at this wonderful game when it is out, I do not know.

[Leesin]

I will always welcome a good, healthy discussion, but your dead-end thinking allowed me naught and gave me space none.

I'll not waste my time responding you in full, for nothing is certain until the release date. Come back and insult the game and its fans after it is out, please.

Not insulting the game or the star wars story fan, just stating my opinion on everything I have learned about the game, just like you, sorry it wasn't what you wanted to see. 

[Kenji]

Not insulting the game or the star wars story fan, just stating my opinion on everything I have learned about the game, just like you, sorry it wasn't what you wanted to see. 

Oh, trust me, over these four years I've seen the exact same words and lines written on TOR Forum repeatedly only there to bash and bring chaos among the Star Wars fans. In the end, they always justify their words with them merely being an opinion.

But, of course, I should realize that this is the internet and people like you are bound to exist.

Have your final words and let this foolishness end!

Post the release date of your desired games, btw.

[Leesin]

Oh, trust me, over these four years I've seen the exact same words and lines written on TOR Forum repeatedly only there to bash and bring chaos among the Star Wars fans. In the end, they always justify their words with them merely being an opinion.

But, of course, I should realize that this is the internet and people like you are bound to exist.

Have your final words and let this foolishness end!

Post the release date of your desired games, btw.

Yes, it was an opinion, just like what you think about the game is an opinion.

Skyrim - November 11, 2011

Stronghold 3 - Oct 25, 2011

Sword of the Stars II - Oct 28, 2011


Was looking forward to Battlefield 3 but for some reason I've just lost interest, played the open beta for an hour and felt I had more fun playing Bad Company 2, though it could just be the crappy Metro map I was forced to play, or that team mates with flash lights are annoying as fuck.

I'm a big Diablo 1 & 2 fan but I've also lost interest in Diablo 3, simply because Blizzard has made the game look like a kids cartoon and added retarded auction house for real money among other retarded features. Will still probably get it but not really excited for it anymore.

[LordBerenger]

Yes, it was an opinion, just like what you think about the game is an opinion.

Skyrim - November 11, 2011

Stronghold 3 - Oct 25, 2011

Sword of the Stars II - Oct 28, 2011


Was looking forward to Battlefield 3 but for some reason I've just lost interest, played the open beta for an hour and felt I had more fun playing Bad Company 2, though it could just be the crappy Metro map I was forced to play, or that team mates with flash lights are annoying as fuck.

I'm a big Diablo 1 & 2 fan but I've also lost interest in Diablo 3, simply because Blizzard has made the game look like a kids cartoon and added retarded auction house for real money among other retarded features. Will still probably get it but not really excited for it anymore.

Then why didn't you play Caspian Border? 200x more fun than Metro.

IMO Metro wasn't too shabby. Favorite area was the buildings/city/last area after station.

But in any case if you didn't you missed the fun with Caspian Border. Helis, Jets, Jeeps, Tanks, Mobile AA guns, Stationary Anti Tank guns(? forgot name for those) alongside big ass antenna tower and so big map.

[Leesin]

Because all the Caspian Border servers were passworded and I wasn't really up for searching the interwebz for passwords.

[LordBerenger]

Because all the Caspian Border servers were passworded and I wasn't really up for searching the interwebz for passwords.

Lol? Caspian Border was available for EVERYONE on Friday, Saturday, Sunday and early monday last week. Without password. Was tons of servers with only Caspian Border on it. And TBH i barely lagged at all which were a common problem at the beginning of beta with CBorder.

[Vibe]

Caspian was open the last weekend. And it trully felt like Battlefield. So much better than BC2, also a huge map.

People keep forgetting that DICE released a beta, not a demo. People who played one of the final version of BF3 say the game is incredible and much much better than the open beta.