balance the "bec de corbin"

[Aesir]

As u can see, no more Bec de Corbin was used in cRPG because it's become a crappy weapon, have a look on that stats vs Long Hafted Spiked Mace :

Long Hafted Spiked Mace     4745   
weight 3
requirement 13
spd rtng 94
weapon length 138
swing damage 34 blunt
thrust damage 20 blunt
Knockdown

VS

Bec de Corbin   7312   
weight 2.8
requirement 14
spd rtng 93
weapon length 120
swing damage 36, pierce
thrust damage 26 pierce

34 blunt < 36 pierce  but just few damage more
cf : http://infinitum.dyndns.org/crpg/calc.htm

really imbalanced I think.

That's why, i would like to have some stats like that :

Bec de Corbin   7312   
weight 2.8
requirement 14
spd rtng 94
weapon length 120
swing damage 36, pierce
thrust damage 28 pierce

u can use it on horseback, true, but i never see people using a bec de corbin instead of a lance ...

[Sultan_Khalifa]

eh its a great weopen I still use it

[Christo]

I find 95 a bit much.. 94 would be a better speed decision imo.

[Aesir]

Maybe 94 is better in fact, while we can heirloom it for 96speed in gen3

in the same way we can up the price of the long hafted spiked mace at 5500, cause it is a great weapon at so cheap price

we need chadz ^^

[Thucydides]

yeah buff goretooth some more 

[NuberT]

nerf long hafted spiked mace and long hafted blade instead, they are superior to all other polearms..

[Neostralie]

I don't know if what I made is usefull but I use the calculator to make a little comparison of the two weapons :

The character has those values:
Strenght 18 (so he can use evry close combat weapons and armors of cRPG)
Power Strike 6
WPF : 100

Now we must compare the same weapon against the same Armor of 40 (Mail with Surcoat) witch is a medium armor.
I also compare the weapon against the best armor with a price nealy equal to the weapon.

Name
Swign Damage : min / Avg / max
Thrust Damage : min / Avg / max

And this is what I get :

Against Armor 40 :
Bec de Corbin
Swing Damage : 25 / 32.5 / 40
Thrust Damage : 15 / 22 / 29

Long Hafted Spiked Mace
Swing Damage : 24 / 30 / 37
Thrust Damage : 9 / 14.5 / 20

Bec de Corbin   (7312) Vs   Studded Leather over Mail (7383g)
Swing Damage : 23 / 30.5 / 38
Thrust Damage : 13 / 20.5 / 28

Long Hafted Spiked Mace (4745g) Vs Druzhina Mail Shirt (4674g)
Swign Damage : 23 / 31 / 38
Thrust Damage : 8 / 13.5 / 19

The Bec de Corbin's price is 1.5x the Long Hafted Spiked Mace price. And agains armor of the same price they do the same amount of damage. This is fair.
But the LHSM Knockdown and the Bec de Corbin don't.

[FF_Patrick_Henry]

I feel you, it seems like high-end polearms are poorly scaled.

[Aesir]

The Bec de Corbin's price is 1.5x the Long Hafted Spiked Mace price. And agains armor of the same price they do the same amount of damage. This is fair.
But the LHSM Knockdown and the Bec de Corbin don't.

all stats of the BdC is unbalanced, don't look only on damage done. U can't said that the maul is imba because he do 36blunt, knockdown and crushtrhough ... lenght and speed was important stats to.

[AdNecrias]

You don't see people using the bec on horse the same way you don't see people using glaives or even warspears. You need the extra range ANY lance provides. 120 can't compete with 170, and its something mandatory on horseback.

EDIT: The Glaive is just too... wierd, i got one.

[Neostralie]

all stats of the BdC is unbalanced, don't look only on damage done. U can't said that the maul is imba because he do 36blunt, knockdown and crushtrhough ... lenght and speed was important stats to.

You're right.

LHSM : 138 of reach and 94 speed
Bec : 120 of reach and 93 of speed

Thank you remebering me that the LHSM is realy better than the Bec de Corbin.

[Meow]

nerf long hafted spiked mace and long hafted blade instead, they are superior to all other polearms..

add the hafted blade and the other pole mace...
the scaling is just way off on most polearms

[Punisher]

nerf long hafted spiked mace and long hafted blade instead, they are superior to all other polearms..

+1, Bec is fine the way it is, the OP polearms are the problem. Long hafted spiked mace is amazingly effective even with 1 polearm WPF and long hafted blade is the spammer's weapon of choice, on an agility build it can outspam a katana (i know the stats don't look like this but it's something about the animation I think, just watch a long hafted blade spammer in-game and you will see).

[DrKronic]

The same can be said for many 2hand weapons post nerfs where stuff like the extremely low tier two handed war axe looks favorable compared to the katana for example (five higher damage bonus vs shields, still fast enough to compete with other fast weapons)

I luv that long hafted spiked mace or whatever it really kills:so long and fast, definitely a good weapon and knockdown lols

I have to say the regular poleaxe is actually my favorite high end polearm

Won't break the bank, killer thrust damage good swing w bonus vs shields and fast enough to trade licks with a spammer

I don't bother with elegant or german both are slightly faster but weaker pierces and shorter for quite a big cost increase

[Son Of Odin]

Bec De Corbin is one of my fav weapons but I think it is slightly too slow. It is quite short polearm so I would like to see it swing a little faster... I did not use it pre patch, but I think it got heavily nerfed to this new patch? I do not say that it should become "a spammers choice of weapon" but a tiny little increase to speed and maybe to swing damage would be a wise thing to do with this cool piece of polearm. I don't like to be outspammed with this weapon...