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Increase cut-damage on Long Espada Eslanova from 27 to 29?

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[Stats] Long Espada Eslanova increase cut-damage from 27 to 29
« on: September 26, 2011, 08:14:18 am »
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Hi there im actually playing 1h-without shield and have tried some 1h-weapons so far.
Especially one weapon caused some headache to me. Its the Long Espada Eslanova.
While being one very beautiful weapon it for sure isnt the toptier 1h weapon and worth 10k of money.

At first i thought this weapon had to be a monster cause of its 31 Piercedamage on stab and its true
that if you hit a stab it does really a shitload of damage.
But while fighting with it i found some problems:
- 1h stab is a very hard to do attack. You never do know if the stab will kill or glance.
Like i said i dont play with shield and it was fucking hard to get those stabs in. A huge
amount of them glanced or just didnt hit while they were in target. I never had this problems
with polestabs or 2h-weapons => 1h stab sucks cause of its animation and connection => 31 Pierce is not worth that much with the worst attack of the 1h
- On Masterwork you get 30 cut on your swings. That is ok if you have a mid-tier stabsword but its not fine at the top-tier 1h-sword.
For sure it shouldnt be better then Knightly Arming or even NCS but it should be buffed a little cause 30cut at masterwork is a joke for this lovely high priced weapon.

=> Because of the shitty stab of 1hs in general and the low cut damage for the top-tier 1h-Sword i suggest to raise cut damage of Long Espada Eslanova from
27 cut to 29 cut.

PS: Yes i do know its a stabsword and thats why its cut damage still will be 2 points under KAS and 3 under NCS.
Alternative would be that you fix that total ridiculous stab-animation on 1h-Weapons.
-> that would also solve the problem that there is no need to take another weapon then one of both scimis if you shit on your style.

If you dont agree with me just buy that weapon and use it for 2-3h. Try to stab and look how often it doesnt hit or glances while it should hit.

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Re: [Stats] Long Espada Eslanova increase cut-damage from 27 to 29
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2011, 10:24:59 am »
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Would be nice if you could tell me why you voted no?

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Re: [Stats] Long Espada Eslanova increase cut-damage from 27 to 29
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2011, 10:55:46 am »
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In all honesty I'm not a 1h veteran and I use normal espada instead of long espada and I usually use it with a shield. 1h stabs have a slightly dodgy animation, but if you do your footwork/turning right you really don't glance much.

That said I would be happy for a slight increase in cut damage of my espada and at the same time why not long espada. Normal espada has 25c base - lower than about everything except really low tier weapons. I would guess same would be fine for long espada, though long espada is currently a slower but longer side sword in terms of stats so I don't know if it would upset balance more.

Bottomline though espadas are stabbing weapons, and the stab is strong when you can pull it off properly. There are issues with doing that: with good footwork sideswings are often easier to land at least for me and especially against other shielders. Especially if I can't step back and use the long range of the stab animation to my benefit.

I wouldn't buff either espada stats, but the 1h stab animation could use a slight boost.

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Re: [Stats] Long Espada Eslanova increase cut-damage from 27 to 29
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2011, 12:09:42 pm »
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Let's turn the tables, why go NCS KAS or Scimi if the Long espada get cut increase and epic stab damage. Long Espada has the same speed as the Elite scimi and the longest 1h sword afaik. I don't see the reason for this.

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Re: [Stats] Long Espada Eslanova increase cut-damage from 27 to 29
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2011, 12:56:59 pm »
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Main Reason is that it´s stab is not that good and you need 75% swings. So those other swords would still be better in their main attack.
Actually if you compare them now there is no real reason to take Esplada cause you will do better with both other swords.
Why is it the most expensive then? I would prefer to work on the 1hstab in general though but i guess this wont happen.

And tbh Scimis are by far superior and in my opinion Elite Scimitar is the best 1h-Sword. It sucks cause it is arabian style. ;)
Its very fast, has ghost range, does good damage and is very hard to block. So in comparsion to Elite Scimi every other Top-Tier sword
is losing in my opinion... not only Long Espada Eslanova.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2011, 12:59:41 pm by Camaris »

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Re: [Stats] Long Espada Eslanova increase cut-damage from 27 to 29
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2011, 02:20:22 pm »
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You come up with 99% good and useful suggestions bro.....this time, I have to say, you are wrong.

1h swords are balanced, you get tools for every job. Their purpose is reflected by their stats quite well.

31 pierce on mw is unmatched by mostly anything.
30 cut still is enough to finish everybody who got stabbed once.

I am not even starting with the speedbonus + headhit. When ever this kicks in, the espada will maybe one hit.

In case u add more swingdmg, u ll create the next sidesword (prenerf)...and thats surely not necessary.

1h stab is tricky, yet so powerful.
Imo the animations cons are its biggest pros at the same time....

Espada is an experts weapon,
1h noshield is the hardest for melee....so what do u expect? :-)

Ps:
Play it for 10 or 15 more hours and u ll love it, even with its cons :-) :-)

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Re: [Stats] Long Espada Eslanova increase cut-damage from 27 to 29
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2011, 03:46:14 pm »
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1h stab is tricky, yet so powerful.
But still nothing compared to the 2h lolstab. When you do it wrong there is no "turning it in", you bounce and in most cases you get hit and probably die. It's still very powerful, but it takes a lot of skill to use.
28/28 would be great stats IMO and okay for the most expensive 1h weapon.
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Re: [Stats] Long Espada Eslanova increase cut-damage from 27 to 29
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2011, 03:53:29 pm »
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It seems to me 1h are in a pretty good place right now, they do plenty of damage and most players will always get head hits with them. In comparison to other classes they seem to do pretty well in combat, and lets not forget, 1h can use shields, which are a huge boon to any fighter.
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Re: [Stats] Long Espada Eslanova increase cut-damage from 27 to 29
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2011, 04:15:33 pm »
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there is no "turning it in", you bounce and in most cases you get hit and probably die. It's still very powerful, but it takes a lot of skill to use.

O'rly?

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Re: [Stats] Long Espada Eslanova increase cut-damage from 27 to 29
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2011, 08:21:20 pm »
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Im using long espada, and as much as i would like it buffed.....i find it very good already.
The stab is very powerfull, yes hard to use but if it wasnt they would nerf it.

I think the cost of the weapon should be reduced by 2-4k though, to be more in line with the other top tier weapons

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Re: [Stats] Long Espada Eslanova increase cut-damage from 27 to 29
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2011, 08:26:36 pm »
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Well I am expert on the subject, and that would indeed make the LEE way too good compared to other swords, the main advantage of the LEE is that its quick long and stabby as hell, the price to pay is higher upkeep and lower slashes.
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Re: [Stats] Long Espada Eslanova increase cut-damage from 27 to 29
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2011, 07:48:45 pm »
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I changed my mind, it sucks. Buff!

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Re: [Stats] Long Espada Eslanova increase cut-damage from 27 to 29
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2011, 09:37:44 pm »
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I changed my mind, it sucks. Buff!
It's probably not the sword that sucks...
But okay, 28/29 cut, so even Siiem can enjoy playing with it. :)
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Re: [Stats] Long Espada Eslanova increase cut-damage from 27 to 29
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2011, 10:01:24 pm »
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The sword doesnt need a buff IMO, but if they do end up buffing it, I won't be the one to whine.
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