Katana Analyzed in Relation to the Bastard Sword

[Jago]

Bastard Sword
Price 3086
weight 1.8
requirement 9
spd rtng 99
weapon length 101
swing damage 35, cut
thrust damage 23 pierce
Secondary Mode

Katana
Price 8212
weight 1.25
requirement 9
spd rtng 102
weapon length 95
swing damage 35, cut
thrust damage 18 pierce

Hand and a half swords all provide the same leverage, use the same swinging techniques, and are similarly balanced, at least in Mount and Blade. By comparing the weight of the swords to each other, we can determine their speed, or vice versa. Differences in length can also effect the speed of the sword.

The ratio between the weight of the katana and the bastard sword is approximately 0.6944. Using that ratio to find the katana's speed in relation to the bastard sword, we find a speed of 142.56. A speed of 102 is much less than the expected speed of 142.56.

The ration between the speed of the katana and the bastard sword is approximately 1.03. Using this ration to find the weight of the katana in relation to the bastard sword, we find a weight of approximately 1.7475. A weight of 1.25 is much less than the expected weight of 1.7475.

The length of the katana is also 6 cm shorter than the bastard sword. The shorter length of the katana should make it have a slightly higher efficeincy ratio than the bastard sword. By dividing the length of the katana by the length of the bastard sword, and then dividing 1 by the quotient, we can find the expected efficeincy ratio of the katana. It is approximately 1.063. By dividing the actual weight or speed value by the expected value, we can determine the actual efficeincy ratio of the weapon. The actual efficeincy ratio of the katana is 0.715. The katana is 34.8% less efficeint than the bastard sword.

The katana is more than 2.5 times as expensive as the bastard sword, and is only 71.5% as efficeint. The katana is a far worse sword than the bastard sword and is more than twice as expensive.


Weight of Bastard Sword * speed ratio * efficeincy ratio = katana weight of 1.97

If we restrict the weight of the katana to that of the bastard sword, we get a speed rating of 105.

Katana 3086
weight 1.97
requirement 9
spd rtng 102
weapon length 95
swing damage 35, cut
thrust damage 18 pierce

Katana 3086
weight 1.8
requirement 9
spd rtng 105
weapon length 95
swing damage 35, cut
thrust damage 18 pierce

Either of these two katanas are balanced in relation to the bastard sword, except for thrust damage, which also should be higher for the katana do to its higher speed and heavier weight. Does the katana have a rubber ball on the tip? By multiplying the weight and speed ratios of the katana to bastard sword with the thrust damage of the bastard sword, we get a thrust damage of roughly 26.

Either of the two katanas below are balanced in relation to the bastard sword. Still though, the bastard sword does have a secondary use mode while the katana does not. This should also be addressed at some point.

Katana 3086
weight 1.8
requirement 9
spd rtng 105
weapon length 95
swing damage 35, cut
thrust damage 26 pierce

Katana 3086
weight 1.97
requirement 9
spd rtng 102
weapon length 95
swing damage 35, cut
thrust damage 26 pierce

[serpus]

This.  This is the nerdiest fucking thread.

[Thtb]

His math is wrong, so combined with Serpus statement, double fail good sir.

[Punisher]

Deal with it.

[Ninja_Khorin]

I already had this thread. But the speed was increased by 1 so I can't complain too much.

[Dunecat]

I think there will be always someone, complaining about katanas, due to popularity of this weapon.

[Memento_Mori]

26 pierce on the katana that'd be hilarious, katana is fine, if you want to buff it just lower it's cost a tiny bit more. But really I think it's quite alright the way it is, 8k is a little expensive but that is the price of style

[EponiCo]

Zen question:
How fast can you swing when you are not holding a sword at all?

[Brutal]

My conclusion from OP  0.17weight = 3 speed  what the....


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[Jago]

Hopefully my post will be seen by a developer who can understand what I have written.

[Patricia]

By this logic I suggest we change the katana to 500 blunt damage but reduce the speed rating to 1.

What I'm getting at is you try to look at stuff too much with "ratio", sure in RATIO both weapons are different but as actual weapons in technical details or whatever they're pretty different.

it would be gay if weapons had to go by a certain ratio so le't say:

this weapon has 100 cut and 50 speed
so this weapon should have 50 cut and 100 speed to be equal, or something.

I'll just go the asshole way and tell you to learn to play, I can kill and do decently with a practice longsword so why you would complain about the katana is over me, implying 102 speed isn't enough to begin with for a 2 hander.

[Jago]

Most of what you wrote is garbage. The one point that swords are different, is addressed in the first paragraph of my post.

[cmp]

Hopefully my post will be seen by a developer who can understand what I have written.

Sorry, we don't do balance by math. Also, your "formula" is questionable at best.

[Tristan]

I felt like commenting on this thread. Just really don't know what to say... either like... no.. just... wait... rly? or...

I am just going with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYuA2KD7jpA&feature=related

[Jago]

Don't balance by math? Then what can you balance on. The entire game is run on math. There has not been a single insightful or constructive comment made by the community to my post. Just a bunch of groundless statements.