Nerf Large Warhorse

[Smoothrich]

Cataphract Horse
hit points: 120 (-10)
body armor: 47 (+3)
difficulty: 5
speed: 38 (-2)
maneuver: 40 (-1)
charge: 38 (+2)
44,711  (+9000)

Large Warhorse
hit points: 130 (+10)
body armor: 43 (-4)
difficulty: 5
speed: 40 (+2)
maneuver: 41 (+1)
charge: 36 (-2)
35,196 (-9000)

So many benefits to the Large Warhorse for nearly 10k cheaper, doesn't seem internally balanced to me.  Too affordable a choice for heavy cav with massive stat advantages over next tier of cav

[Torben]

true dat

[Xant]

Large Warhorse needs a buff, not a nerf...

[Torben]

Large Warhorse needs a buff, not a nerf...

only if we nerf swingspeed athletics and ironflesh.

[POOPHAMMER]

if anything, -5 HP on large war horse, +5 HP on cataphract. Other than the HP being more than cata, it scales along well with other horses as they get heavier (more armour as they get heavier, less speed, less maneuver, but more HP, more armour, and more charge damage).

[Smoothrich]

The price difference is basically the same between a Rouncey and a Courser, yet the Cataphract is significantly worse of an improvement then the difference between any other tier of a horse.  Buff Cata HP, lower Warhorse HP, and take a look at the maneuver values.  If anything, they should be lowered across the board for heavier cav.  Also take a look at the armor increase especially, 3k between War Horse and Large War horse for 3 more armor, 9k for 4 more armor between Large Warhorse and Cataphract.  It just doesn't seem right to me.  The next horse, Charger, has 11 more armor for about 8k.  The Cataphract needs a slight buff and Large Warhorse slight nerfs.

[Leshma]

Cata is weaboo shit, that's why it's expensive.

[Oberyn]

Cataphracts...are weeaboo? I thought weeaboo was specifically Japanese stuff.

[Xant]

Leshma is trolling.

[Leshma]

No, I'm not trolling. Cataphracts were mainly used by Shogunate, thus weaboo.

[Xant]

The word comes from Greek. Ancient Greece didn't do a lot of warring with the Shogunate, IIRC.

[Tears of Destiny]

No, I'm not trolling. Cataphracts were mainly used by Shogunate, thus weaboo.

The Shogunate clan also used Gothic Plate. Useless to compare.
As for real Shoguns, they never used Cataphracts, that was an Eastern Roman Empire horse used by the Scholarii, Kataphraktoi and such similar horsemen.

[Leshma]

The word comes from Greek. Ancient Greece didn't do a lot of warring with the Shogunate, IIRC.

I know that...

But I think that weaboo items in this mod are gimped (or overpriced) because Fasader doesn't like Shogunates.

Might be wrong tho...

The Shogunate clan also used Gothic Plate. Useless to compare.

Only Georges in the beginning, after that some of them used it occasionally.

[Smoothrich]

Holy shit Leshma, get out of this thread, you are the worst poster I've seen, this is a balance forum and your posts are GARBAGE, you aren't allowed in any of my threads again

[Tears of Destiny]

Now now Smoothrage, this is not worth getting worked up about. Every thread in the SC or GB forums have at least one "WTF" post.