You should re-do all daggers.

[Dravic]

OK, so i have idea: to make daggers actually daggers that kill, not weapon only for style (because u cant really kill anyone with dagger... too low dmg etc)

Now they look:

Dagger:

200 gold

weight 0.25
requirement 0
spd rtng 112
weapon length 36
swing damage 22, cut
thrust damage 24 pierce
Gen1= 112spd 24cut 26pierce
Gen2= 113spd 25cut 27pierce
Gen3= 114spd 26cut 28pierce

Long dagger:

300 gold

weight 0.25
requirement 0
spd rtng 112
weapon length 47
swing damage 23, cut
thrust damage 25 pierce
Gen1= 112spd 25cut 27pierce
Gen2= 113spd 26cut 28pierce
Gen3= 114spd 27cut 29pierce

And they should look:

Dagger

2700 gold

weight 0.25
requirement 5
spd rtng 108
weapon length 36
swing damage 16, cut
thrust damage 33 pierce
Gen1= 109spd 17 cut 33pierce
Gen2= 110spd 18 cut 34pierce
Gen3= 111spd 19 cut 36pierce

+ You still cant block with it.
+ You cant use shield.

Long dagger:

5100 gold

weight 0.25
requirement 7
spd rtng 103
weapon length 47
swing damage 21, cut
thrust damage 38 pierce
Gen1= 104spd 22cut 38pierce
Gen2= 105spd 23cut 39pierce
Gen3= 106spd 24cut 41pierce

+ You can block with it.
+ You cant use shield.

These stats would make dagger real weapon, not scizor, with which you cant even block!

Dagger still shouldnt let you block, but longer version - long dagger - should let you block, if you know how!

Vote and discuss!

[Vexus]

I tried to make a bandit character with the long dagger and yes the thrust from it is a bit delusional so I kinda gave up tough I managed to kill some people with it but it's hard.

[Magikarp]

38 pierce on a onehander? I foresee agility build abuse in combination with shields.

[Dravic]

Look at lenght. If you are going to let someone come SO close to you, congratz. But look at them again now: edit!

[UrLukur]

Heh, no way! Daggers are for teh style.

[Magikarp]

I just foresaw a high athletics build which would give you close access if you used a shield.

I agree however without the shield. It would be nice to have a dagger being usefull.

[Cup1d]

Leave dagger in peace.

Better look there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misericorde_(weapon)

Something like

weight 0.8
requirement 6
spd rtng 80
weapon length 48
swing damage 15, blunt
thrust damage 40 pierce
Gen1= 81spd 15 blunt 42pierce
Gen2= 82spd 16 blunt 44pierce
Gen3= 84spd 17 blunt 46pierce

[Poetrydog]

Even if they are short they will become a spammer weapon. On the other hand if they can't block (not the long one either) you can keep them at a distance easily

[Maira]

Yep, they are looking like another version of mauls.

[Welcome_To_Hell]

I always pack a dagger and a Khyber knife. They are cheap and work well for killing peasants.

In my mind killing peasants who are too low level to defend themselves is the purpose of the knives and daggers.

They are never intended to go 1 v 1 a real weapon user. So there is a mistake in the poll.

[EponiCo]

Never stopped me to take a dagger just for the looks.
41 pierce on a nearly invisible weapon with 106 speed is just ridicolous because you know you can take 30 agi and facehug like mad.

[HoboJoe]

Yeah, what Dravic's suggesting would pretty much rape the long dagger. Though I don't mind the inability to use shields with them, the ability to block would be just wrong. Overall I'd like to see daggers getting a slight damage increase, like dagger 24c/27p (Old 22c/24p) and long dagger 25/28p (Old 23c/25p). But since I'm probably the only one who ever tries to use them nobody can be arsed to change them.

[Vexus]

I did use it on my alt it was very fun killing people with it I even managed to headshot a running cav (Obviously the horse) with it downing him with 1 thrust was awesome moment

[Spawny]

Pre-patch I used a long dagger/steel buckler combination with 24 agility and it worked pretty well.
You're fast as hell and with sufficient athletics you can face hug easily.

Making the thrust damage that high would make me carry one just to 1 hit kill archers by stabbing them in the back with it.

[HoboJoe]

Well, athletics is not what it used to be anymore, and there's other onehanders with such damage.