Horse Bumping

[Xant]

The only "sucessful" move in that senario is if the 2h moves away - i.e no chance at killing cav.

Exactly. The lines show "movement".. there is no other way for the 2h to attempt to kill the cav than what I showed.

Sure, 2h can pretty much avoid getting killed by (single) cav if they play defensively and never try to attack.

HOWEVER, the original point was that 2hswords would replace longspears as cavkillers, which is untrue.

[Overdriven]

He will avoid and live. But the purpose of this discussion what that the GK says a good 2h will always be able to kill the horse with a stab. Which they haven't come with any other message than "U guys suck, l2p lolol, we are great khans our epic skill is pr0"

No we explained it. But you and xant are the kinda guys who believe you are the best in the world and won't back down until the other side do. So it's a pointless internet argument with you two yet again. Hence why I'm not gonna bother with it now.

[Fluffy_Muffin]

Jesus.... if cav goes head on it dies, if it turn/stabs the 2h dies, even the smallest minds should understand this oversimplified version

[Siiem]

No we explained it. But you and xant are the kinda guys who believe you are the best in the world and won't back down until the other side do. So it's a pointless internet argument with you two yet again.

Lol, we have not said that in any posts, just said that "we feel you are wrong, feel free to explain to us why" while you answear with... "You guys need to learn some horse killing skills"

Jesus.... if cav goes head on it dies, if it turn/stabs the 2h dies, even the smallest minds should understand this oversimplified version

Well, apparently it's harder to comprehend  then I first thought.

[Lorenzo_of_Iberia]

He will avoid and live. But the purpose of this discussion what that the GK says a good 2h will always be able to kill the horse with a stab. Which they haven't come with any other message than "U guys suck, l2p lolol, we are great khans our epic skill is pr0"

no we gave explanations you just refuse to listen and instead you two present us with an unsightly diagram, there are no measurements or basic calculations, present to me a researched version and I might listen, but for now we can just ignore your childish scribblings

[Fluffy_Muffin]

No we explained it. But you and Overdriven are the kinda guys who believe you are the best in the world and won't back down until the other side do. So it's a pointless internet argument with you two yet again. Hence why I'm not gonna bother with it now.

fixed

[Overdriven]

fixed

Good to know you think Siiem thinks that as well though.

[Fartface]

Also courser is now 6 difficulty and Arabian is 7. Nice to know that won't affect anyone in GK 

Destrier is 5. Heavies are all 5 (including plated).

hmmm so nice now that im finaly doing an gen as HA-_-

[Fartface]

No we explained it. But you and xant are the kinda guys who believe you are the best in the world and won't back down until the other side do. So it's a pointless internet argument with you two yet again. Hence why I'm not gonna bother with it now.

i agree there ignorant

[Xant]

no we gave explanations you just refuse to listen and instead you two present us with an unsightly diagram, there are no measurements or basic calculations, present to me a researched version and I might listen, but for now we can just ignore your childish scribblings

Your best explanation was "get some cav killing skills." The explanation (and paint-pic) is a lot more "research" than what you did. You offered no explanation as to how the 2h would kill cav if the cav did what I said. But seems my work here is done, those with logic can now see the light.

Edit: Darian joined your side, you auto-lose.

[Fluffy_Muffin]

no we gave explanations you just refuse to listen and instead you two present us with an unsightly diagram, there are no measurements or basic calculations, present to me a researched version and I might listen, but for now we can just ignore your childish scribblings

They also gave explanations, you also refused to listen.

And what researched version do you have to support your claims?

[Lorenzo_of_Iberia]

They also gave explanations, you also refused to listen.

And what researched version do you have to support your claims?

I havnt presented a diagram ;) just working on past experience and what I think most people would agree on obviously people differ but I think if you asked cav would you charge an aware 2h in lolstab they would say 'no, if hes aware he can counter me'. And I think if you asked reasonably minded 2h's whether they could take a charging lancer even if he turned, they wouldnt think themselves screwed or helpless ;)

Edit : if you want research I'm sure you can start a thread and poll, or go online and record some material and present it to us

Edit Edit : what you have here are the two extremes, we have on the one side people who constantly lobby for a cav nerf and on the other cavalry who think that another cav nerf is just unreasonable. We are never gonna agree unless someone provides us with numbers and calculations that are fully correct.

[cmp]

I'm interested in hearing what a good lancer has to say about being outranged by two handers... somebody call one?

[Fluffy_Muffin]

I am also working from past exepriene and you could read my oversimplified version.

Why am i sure in what i say? It has happend to me countless times and i have learned to recognize cav that use this and cav that dont so i know when must i be defensive or offensive

[Lorenzo_of_Iberia]

I'm interested in hearing what a good lancer has to say about being outranged by two handers... somebody call one?

chagan said something down there ;)