upcoming poll: What could be done about unreachable spots?

[Prpavi]

- make ladders redeployable

If a ladder gets 'destroyed' it falls to the ground and can be redeployed. No more unreachable spots and a reasonable compromise for the archers.

Perhaps they also need a bit more hitpoints, making it harder to quickly destroy them and easier to assault a roof full of enemies.

yap nice one!

i would aslo add the option that the ladder cannot be destroyed if somebodys on them.

a definite +1

[Jarlek]

Not sure what's meant by "MOTF after 30 seconds".  30 seconds of what?

30 seconds with no enemy hits, parries or blocks would be a reasonable time to launch MOTF.  This would also solve issues like the last guy hiding in a bush or just not being able to find each other with 3 minutes still on the clock...

MOTF spawns when there hasn't been a kill in 1 minute. The suggestion was to lower it to 30. Personally I would like it to spawn at the 1 minute left mark, NO MATTER WHAT, so that one retard getting himself killed at 00:59 doesn't fuck everything up.

Also, MOTF isn't random. There are only 3 places it can spawn. Those 3 places have to be placed by the map maker. If the map maker doesn't put them, then 3 random places will be designated by the map itself, they are the "default" places and I believe they are all in the middle of the map.

[Prpavi]

QQ? You want QQ'ing? Prepare your fucking QQ thread bitches, because I am about to Roof Camp the living shit out of you. I'm betting it will only take a day before Ladders are removed completely from the game and all maps are set to open field because you won't be able to handle it!
Really though, there has been some incredibly ignorant posts in this thread. It would take an entire book to explain just how wrong you are.

Beer, you are especially ignorant. You know what happens when you stand and shoot the rider without getting out of the way? You lose 1/2 to 3/4 of your health to the HORSE, even if the rider DIES. Geez, that's an AWESOME tactic! Just sacrifice over half your health! Oh, and that's only if you hit them! Should you miss, you're dead totally. Rider has better than cloth or has a shield? Even if you hit them, you lost 1/2 health. 2nd time you hit them again, oh but their platemail laughs at your puny arrow and you die from horse charge without the lancer even bothering to try to land a hit.

That Game Admin needs his adminhood revoked or remediated. This isn't a rock/paper/scissors World of Warcraft pvp server where the 1337 Class pwns all others.

I leave you with a quote from myself.

Well that was easy. First map, picked a roof and started camping. 5 dead horses and 3 dead riders! Awesome! You know the best part? They COULDN'T fight back! Just like me if I was on the ground!  It was incredible! I was a GOD raining death down upon them without a thing they could do! Man, you guys are so right! Being able to kill a player without them being able to do anything about it is the most fulfilling thing I've ever done! 

Look at this fucktard, is this still a NON ISSUE for you Turkhammer?

[Tears of Destiny]

Look at this fucktard, is this still a NON ISSUE for you Turkhammer?

That "fucktard" is making fun at you all...
Good job taking him seriously ahahahahah

[Turkhammer]

Look at this fucktard, is this still a NON ISSUE for you Turkhammer?

Pretty much.

I'm against removing ladders from battle.
I'm also against archers being unreachable.  Some of the suggestions in this thread have been good for that purpose.  I think having the MOTF be a factor is the best path. 
Personally, if I'm playing an archer I won't prolong the match if I'm the last one standing and I'm unreachable.  I'll jump to my death.  Having MOTF would be the stalemate breaker for those that won't.

[highglandeur]

Appart from hammer and destiny doing nothing but wasting our time, acting like kids who don't want you to discuss this because they don't agree with whatever childish idea they have of the possible outcome of the discussion, taking the piss and disrupting, instead of simply taking part like adults.
Thank you guys for all those ideas and comments and the time you spent on this, keep it up!

[rufio]

- make ladders redeployable

If a ladder gets 'destroyed' it falls to the ground and can be redeployed. No more unreachable spots and a reasonable compromise for the archers.

Perhaps they also need a bit more hitpoints, making it harder to quickly destroy them and easier to assault a roof full of enemies.

+1

[Keshian]

This really seems to be more an EU issue, never see archers camping unreachable spots and then destroying ladder in NA.  If a ladder gets destroyed by enemy and theya re last alive, anyone on the roof (melee or archers) jump down.  Maybe EU archers are more cowardly??

[Prpavi]

Pretty much.

I'm against removing ladders from battle.
I'm also against archers being unreachable.  Some of the suggestions in this thread have been good for that purpose.  I think having the MOTF be a factor is the best path. 
Personally, if I'm playing an archer I won't prolong the match if I'm the last one standing and I'm unreachable.  I'll jump to my death.  Having MOTF would be the stalemate breaker for those that won't.

this is not an argument about you and how you act when playing an archer.

i just pasted you a post from a guy that announced to the whole world that he is planning to grief and be a dickhead to the rest of the community.

in this case how you play your archer char is irrelevant, understand?

[Turkhammer]

this is not an argument about you and how you act when playing an archer.

i just pasted you a post from a guy that announced to the whole world that he is planning to grief and be a dickhead to the rest of the community.

in this case how you play your archer char is irrelevant, understand?

U mad bro?

If you are going to emphasize some of my post, why don't you emphasize this part as well?

"I'm against removing ladders from battle.
I'm also against archers being unreachable.  Some of the suggestions in this thread have been good for that purpose.  I think having the MOTF be a factor is the best path."

You are hyperventilating over one fool that is probably pulling your chain for fun anyway.  For all you know it could be some anti-archer who wants to stir up the pot against archers.
He's easily dealt with.  The community has his name.  If he won't come down at the end of a round etc, etc kick him.

Do you understand?

[Turkhammer]

Appart from hammer and destiny doing nothing but wasting our time, acting like kids who don't want you to discuss this because they don't agree with whatever childish idea they have of the possible outcome of the discussion, taking the piss and disrupting, instead of simply taking part like adults.
Thank you guys for all those ideas and comments and the time you spent on this, keep it up!

Wow, you sure are judgemental.  Hey, I'm only 12, how can I take part like an adult?

[TommyHu]

petty rule imo...if people are camping rooftops and you cant get up there/shoot them, get out of their line of sight. Make it so they can't engage you from the roof, while focusing on the rest of their team. If they are the last ones left and you have no ranged to shoot them, just sit back and wait for the flags; thats why they were put into the game.

A lot of the complaining I see seems to boil down to Inf wanting to just walk forward until they or the enemy are dead, without having to deal with cav or archers. Be accountable where you are and aren't walking. It's not like there are a lack buildings to hide behind for cover on any of the maps except for the rare random plains sighting.

Also for the "your wasting my time" argument...I don't buy it, we're playing computer games and posting about it on the forums...that extra min waiting for flags to spawn doesn't amount to much.

[highglandeur]

Now the new pach has come I would like to close this thread if you don't mind guys.
I believe it is now clear to all what the players feel and what could be done by developpers if this roofcamping issue becomes a matter of interest.
My excuses to hammer and destiny for being a bit rude, here is some compensation inspired by karasu to make you forgive me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs6O6EG1T_w

Thank you all for taking part.

[highglandeur]

Btw you can now bring a construction site, 5 construction materials and a medium ladder to solve the problem.
You need 3-4 people (about 10 slots without the weapons) to do that but it will allow you to build a "weapon rack" with sites and materials at spawn, the guy who dropped his ladder can come back to this weapon rack to get a new ladder if needed at round end.
God works in mysterious ways

[Teeth]

I don't know who keeps saying that user ladders are a measure against unreachable spots, but thats just ridiculous. In properly made maps there are NO unreachable spots. The user ladders are the things that create them. So by making them 0 slot and weightless youre trying to fix the problem with what created the problem in the first place.