Concerning Game Admins

[AssPunisher]

As we've all witnessed, communication between community and game admins is not going quite well lately. I know many of you don't even care to say the least, but the point is that something has to change if we want to see the bright future for our loving mod.

Reading through numerous unban requsts here and on Taleworlds forum I've noticed that many players didn't even know the real reason for being banned. And while we can argue that some just act innocent and others were banned for good reasons regardless, this clearly shows that there is a complete lack of communication from admins' part before executing the harshest penalty on the players. Reading some of the arguments from admins here was also discouraging. As I can recall in one case recently questioning admin's decision for a kick with a stupid and childish response "U mad?" resulted in an instant ban. This is not a way to treat your community that helps keeping this mod running with donations.

Given these cicrumstances I think it is fair to assume that some admins don't truly understand responsibilities that come with privileges of being a game admin. This is a just a small part of what can be found in the link I ran into (link provided in the spoiler section).

Game Admins must:
    * be honest and a desire to apply the rules to all players evenly
    * have a good sense of the game
    * have good knowledge of the decalogue and how it is to be interpreted
    * possess the ability to weigh the facts of a given situation and to make a decision accordingly
    * be able to conduct themselves in a professional manner when communicating with players
    * no longer be active player on the server they admin

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http://wiki.the-reincarnation.org/index.php/Game_Admins

What our admins need is a similar guidline that will help them enforce the rules in a mature and consistent manner. There will always be those that will try to harm the gameplay experience of others for one reason or the other so, your community relies on your adminstrative skills to prevent this from happening, but right now it seems you often do the opposite. If this doesn't motivate you enough at least do it for the love of this mod.
Thanks in advance.

[Alex_C]

BUT I LOVEZ ABOOZE!!!

[Everkistus]

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[Babelfish]

Gonna quote chadz from the other thread, incase you have missed it..Also i think it fits this thread nicely.

I'm not sure if you are kidding or not.

If you are not - how fucking spoiled are you? You really think that admins are supposed to just fly around and watch people? For real? They are not getting paid - they are given some extra priviledges because they are trusted members of the community. No one EVER thought about them as cRPG cops that do nothing else but look around for criminals. They are there so there is someone that can enforce stuff if people try to abuse the system, in whatever way. And as far as I am concerned, they are also free to just ignore being admin if they feel like it, because I can truly understand that it is a tiresome priviledge.

(Note: this is not about this topic, but in general, I have no idea what this thread is even about)
About admin abuse: no one is perfect, I have taken that into account. People can do wrong decisions, that happens, it is not good, but nothing that surprises me. It is a problem if it happens more frequently or more.. biased against someone in particular, but nothing like that has happened so far afaik.

To the point: if you feel like there is admin abuse, report it in the forum, as has been done, obviously. We will probably not check it out in detail, there is not enough time for that, but there might be consequences if something happens more than afew times.

In the future, there might be a more democratic approach - eventually the possibility to elect and unelect admins, because after all, they are supposed to represent the community.

[AssPunisher]

Gonna quote chadz from the other thread, incase you have missed it..Also i think it fits this thread nicely.

Yeah I've missed that. I liked that funny part the most - "...they are trusted members of the community..."

Nvm me then, there is a cool link for any admin to check it out if he/she wishes so. Other than that...

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[Phazey]

I have banned ONE guy for repeated teamkilling (Morn). He knew what he was doing and he sure as hell understood why he was banned. Then he wrote a short essay promising not to misbehave again and i unbanned him.

Mr. "AssPunisher", who are you to lecture me on my adminning? There are rules, we enforce them. I do not find your post 'motivating', i find it arrogant and somewhat misguided.

It is very hard to do good adminning and still enjoy the game. I spend hours spectating, often franticly clicking to get to the right player, struggling with the huge and hard to use player list to find yet another idiot who is ruining the game by unreachable roofcamping, teamkilling or hiding. And then i kick him or her, only to see the same person rejoin moments later and continue like nothing has happened.

It's hard work. It's ungrateful work. People lie, distort what happened and generally try anything to make the admins look bad afther they've been banned.
We have to constantly monitor all the ban- and unban-requests. We have to constantly stay in contact with eachother. It's hard to keep enjoying the game like that.

All i see lately are snobish and sometimes whiney 'waah waah- the admins abooze'-type of posts. Never once a thank you or a 'well done'.

That said, i do think some of my collegue admins could work on keeping up the appearance of professionalism. But please remember, these are all volunteers.

[AssPunisher]

I have banned ONE guy for repeated teamkilling (Morn). He knew what he was doing and he sure as hell understood why he was banned. Then he wrote a short essay promising not to misbehave again and i unbanned him.

Mr. "AssPunisher", who are you to lecture me on my adminning? There are rules, we enforce them. I do not find your post 'motivating', i find it arrogant and somewhat misguided.

It is very hard to do good adminning and still enjoy the game. I spend hours spectating, often franticly clicking to get to the right player, struggling with the huge and hard to use player list to find yet another idiot who is ruining the game by unreachable roofcamping, teamkilling or hiding. And then i kick him or her, only to see the same person rejoin moments later and continue like nothing has happened.

It's hard work. It's ungrateful work. People lie, distort what happened and generally try anything to make the admins look bad afther they've been banned.
We have to constantly monitor all the ban- and unban-requests. We have to constantly stay in contact with eachother. It's hard to keep enjoying the game like that.

All i see lately are snobish and sometimes whiney 'waah waah- the admins abooze'-type of posts. Never once a thank you or a 'well done'.

That said, i do think some of my collegue admins could work on keeping up the appearance of professionalism. But please remember, these are all volunteers.

Given these cicrumstances I think it is fair to assume that some admins don't truly understand responsibilities that come with privileges of being a game admin.

Game Admins must:
    * have good knowledge of the decalogue and how it is to be interpreted
    * be able to conduct themselves in a professional manner when communicating with players

The only person being arrogant here is you. Didn't read past that sentence.

[Phazey]

I'm not being arrogant. I'm giving you my honest reaction. No need to requote your own post, i read it.
What, you are just gonna respond by saying: "No, you are arrogant instead"? Is that what it has come to?

Do you get why your post rubs me the wrong way?

[nuffen]

My wordbook translates decalogue to the 10 commandment of the bible.. wtf?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decalogue
I was not wrong. Ok, notice my nick, Lilith. Then, think.. uhm, you want to force-convert me to a christian just to be an admin? AND Im not allowed to play on the server I admin? How am I gonna admin then, sit there spectrating people for hours without pay?
Just the thought of that makes me a:
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[AssPunisher]

I'm not being arrogant. I'm giving you my honest reaction. No need to requote your own post, i read it.
What, you are just gonna respond by saying: "No, you are arrogant instead"? Is that what it has come to?

Do you get why your post rubs me the wrong way?

If you read it again (or the qouted part at least) carefully you will notice it wasn't directed to you. No reason to get mad over it. Keep doing a good job, thats all. And of course, thanks for your efforts.

My wordbook translates decalogue to the 10 commandment of the bible.. wtf?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decalogue
I was not wrong. Ok, notice my nick, Lilith. Then, think.. uhm, you want to force-convert me to a christian just to be an admin? AND Im not allowed to play on the server I admin? How am I gonna admin then, sit there spectrating people for hours without pay?
Just the thought of that makes me a:
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I don't believe in God, and I don't think anyone will mind you playing while admin at the same time. It was a copy-pasted part from the link provided, as clearly stated in my OP.

[Astinus]

I agree with OP.

Hang them on the highest tree and then burn them

[Murmillus_Prime]

I believe asspunisher and phaz both have good points, but turning this into an argument about arrogance isn't what the thread is about. Asspunisher has picked up on the fact some admins on more than one occasion act on their 'powers' irrationally, and unfairly kick/ban people, not through rule breaking but through petty arguing and not being able to agree on the same level. Everyone is human here, we all have opinions and many of us don't see eye to eye but that's not a reason to ban somone or to kick them is it?

I've not been an admin I won't pretend to know how frustraiting being one is, yet the fact administrating a server is hard job doesn't justify douchebaggery conducted by some admins who resort to using their admin powers to have the 'last say'.

Lastly, I'd like to thank, the admins who've conducted themselves fairly, and unbiased and have kept a cool head throughout any issues regarding critisizm of their abilities. Admins like you, are glue to the community and the servers wouldn't be the same without them.

[nuffen]

I believe asspunisher and phaz both have good points, but turning this into an argument about arrogance isn't what the thread is about.

So I need to convert to christianity, start spectrating hours a day without playing to admin? Are you serious mr, or are you just unprecise?

[AssPunisher]

Lastly, I'd like to thank, the admins who've conducted themselves fairly, and unbiased and have kept a cool head throughout any issues regarding critisizm of their abilities. Admins like you, are glue to the community and the servers wouldn't be the same without them.

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