Remove the ladders from Battle please. POLL

[Have_At_Thee]

Its a shame but I voted yes.  Would have preffered something else like making the ladders unbreakable on the battle servers.

[Tears of Destiny]

"strategus battle today in a city" is called a Siege

There is a Siege server for this.

Were talking about Battle servers here.

I don't see the difference. Strategus is more battle then siege considering it is impossible to cap all spawns in a city, and there is no flag.

Put me back on your ignore list bro, you seem to still be unable to keep up with my godlike intellect, so save yourself the embarrassment of trying to respond.

[Kafein]

I suggest we add other camping methods to even things up :

Infantry gets undergroundcamping. All inf can dig holes in the ground to find shelter from ranged and cav.
Cav gets aircamping. All horses can fly as high as they want, allowing cavalry to be safe from range and inf.

That way it would be balanced.

ToD, I see you +ed me here. Actually I wasn't trolling. Those suggestions are stupid, just to show that roofcamping is equally ridiculous.

Furthermore, the main difference between battle and siege is (or atleast should be) the maps. There's no thing like a battle in a city. It's a siege (should be named "storming" or something like that) because attackers have to climb walls and other shit. When you need to do that, you need ladders and they balance the game. In battle, no one should have to climb up buildings, so ladders are pointless.

[Tears of Destiny]

ToD, I see you +ed me here. Actually I wasn't trolling. Those suggestions are stupid, just to show that roofcamping is equally ridiculous.

I know man! I honestly love those ideas, then infantry can like all spring up from the ground and ambush people, or tunnel under castle walls, and then like cavalry can have cool pegasus and dragon and like giant eagle stuff and we can do "theme" battles like a LotR tournament and stuff!

Imagine like, horse archers shooting at each other while airborne!


So cool...

[Prpavi]

I don't see the difference. Strategus is more battle then siege considering it is impossible to cap all spawns in a city, and there is no flag.

Put me back on your ignore list bro, you seem to still be unable to keep up with my godlike intellect, so save yourself the embarrassment of trying to respond.

nah "bro" i love your superme intellect answers 

plus you keeping the topic up. keep posting, nobody takes you seriously anyways.

thanks.

[Corwin]

When did you stop ignoring him? Whata mistaka to maka...

[theero]

I believe I lost about dozen of IQ-points while reading this thread...

Anyways, I see no problem with the status quo; if there are archers on a roof, only an idiot would run to their field of fire. Anyone who gets killed by a roof-camping archer is making a service to playerkind by removing themselves from the genepool. If you are being shot at, FIND COVER! Then think of a way to get rid of those archer either by storming the roof, killing the other players to force the archer come down threathening them with admins, or wait to get the flags appear. It's really not that hard to cope with roofcampers and battles would be much more boring without ladders ( = cav wins IMO).

[Tzar]

Lets just make an item that makes infantry/cav immune to dmg until there is 1 min left of the battle.

[Kafein]

I believe I lost about dozen of IQ-points while reading this thread...

Anyways, I see no problem with the status quo; if there are archers on a roof, only an idiot would run to their field of fire. Anyone who gets killed by a roof-camping archer is making a service to playerkind by removing themselves from the genepool. If you are being shot at, FIND COVER! Then think of a way to get rid of those archer either by storming the roof, killing the other players to force the archer come down threathening them with admins, or wait to get the flags appear. It's really not that hard to cope with roofcampers and battles would be much more boring without ladders ( = cav wins IMO).

So now admins are entirely part of the gameplay, and there to balance ladders ? Also, you are blatantly contradicting yourself :

if there are archers on a roof, only an idiot would run to their field of fire

Then think of a way to get rid of those archer either by storming the roof

About this :

killing the other players

Other players with half brains will lure you into their archers fire and you'll have to retreat. Furthermore, the player on the ground could also be a cav at the other end of the map.


Your whole post is screaming how a roofcamp is hard to counter. Harder than any tactic infantry or cavalry can do, because they lack ranged weapons.

[Babelfish]

I believe I lost about dozen of IQ-points while reading this thread...

Anyways, I see no problem with the status quo; if there are archers on a roof, only an idiot would run to their field of fire. Anyone who gets killed by a roof-camping archer is making a service to playerkind by removing themselves from the genepool. If you are being shot at, FIND COVER! Then think of a way to get rid of those archer either by storming the roof, killing the other players to force the archer come down threathening them with admins, or wait to get the flags appear. It's really not that hard to cope with roofcampers and battles would be much more boring without ladders ( = cav wins IMO).

After reading your entire post, part one seems like its head-on.
 Also i find it hilarious that you are mentioning counter-camping, admin-involvement & flag as good ways to deal with roofcamping.
Camping & counter-camping promotes a cheap and boring game-play, personally i rather fight then watch the scenery for 6 minutes.
Admins should not become a everyday part of this game, they should only have to act when someone is breaking the rules and hurting the fun of other players. When we get to the point where admins need to monitor a situation 24/7, it should be clear for everyone, what needs be done. More admins is not the answer.   

[Prpavi]

been off for a few days, just a lil bump since i see more and more roof camping whine so the ppl can se the poll results

[Bothersome_Aldryk]

The primary counter to camping is counter camping, or heavily outplaying the enemy team. The simple fact of the matter is that generally people choose to camp BECAUSE IT PROVIDES AN ADVANTAGE. Therefore, with an advantage that ranges from decent to MASSIVELY BROKEN STAIR OF DEATH, the camping team is logically going to win assuming equal teams unless the other team camps as well. The primary problem I have with camping is that the current "counters" mostly involve being better than the other team. I'm not going to denigrate skill or anything, I love skill and good players, but honestly, if one team HAS to be better than another to fight on EVEN footing, well... That isn't exactly fair, and in a situation like that all you can really hope for is autobalance to fuck up and put all the good guys on the anti-camp team.

This issue is terrible on unbalanced maps where one team has access to an amazing camping spot that they can get to before the enemy team can do anything about. Breakable ladders just make it so that otherwise balanced maps become unbalanced maps as soon as one team decides to camp on a handy unreachable area.

If you'd like, we can brainstorm on ways to beat a team of equal skill that has superior terrain advantage, but I think you'll be forced the conclusion that it requires counter-camping, or outthinking/playing them by a significant margin, because the tables are stacked toward the camping team. Now, it's true that we can always just camp whenever the other team does (And honestly that's what I usually end up doing), but it's boring and tends to lead to draws pretty often due to the flag timer resetting every time someone dies.

Oh, and a random sidenote for all you people who like to bring Reality up as an argument about Game Balance(Yes, I hate you), in "Reality" I could light your shitty house on fire under you, forcing you down. Or smoke you out etc in certain other situations. So, bringing up the fact that you could "realistically" hide on roofs or what have you means nothing, because "realistically" we'd have a shit ton of methods of dealing with it.

[Fingus]

cRPG shouldn't be balanced, it shouldn't be realistic, it should be FUN. Ladders, and Siege Shields add to the complexity of the game, making it more interesting and FUN. Sure, dirty tricks are dirty, but when you defeat that roofcamping team with even more excellent tactics, the level of satisfaction is equal to nirvana. There's nothing a ladder brings to the game that can't be countered.

[BlueKnight]

Making a poll is useless because like 50% of players are ranged.

[Joxer]

I voted no and I'm not ranged. I'm infact infantry without a shield.